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That is a pathetically low turn out, that being said isn't it being billed as deliberately low key and not even a coronation as such? Some sort of austerity ceremony for difficult times.
Franco's car just shows up where these people come from and how far (or little) Spanish governance has progressed.
Franco's car just shows up where these people come from and how far (or little) Spanish governance has progressed.
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tbf there are pics with lots of people in them
outside the balcony and on the home stretch
outside the balcony and on the home stretch
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
the rojigualda is a fucking horrible flag.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Teaboy is right, it's a dismal showing. They have got some crowds outside the palace but the total turnout is shockingly low. There must be about 30000-50000 in the footage near the balcony. On the day of a coronation in a PP dominated city! Any type of national event of this size would demand crowds forming along two of Madrid's major thoroughfares, the Castellana and Gran Via. If you haven't managed to get people to fill at least part of them up you have flopped. Gran Via was dead as we can see above and the Castellana the same.
I live in Vallecas, which is not exactly Monarchist Central, but you can bet that even here 20% of people vote for PP. In a twenty minute walk around the neighbourhood, I saw just 3 balconies with Spanish flags on them, and 1 bar which had put one in the window. There is no fervour for this king here and we're just one decent hit from bringing them down.
Hanging a republican flag from yuor balcony has been made illegal today, which is disgusting. However, our local PP office had to suffer the ignomony of the neighbours sticking two out of their adjoining windows.
Better still, someone on my street realised that the police were hardly going to be able to do them for this........ three t-shirts hanging out to dry.
J Ed
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I have read a bit about it. I would imagine it would be very interesting, let me know if it's worth getting if you do end up reading it
J Ed
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Just wanted to update this thread with the recent exchange that Podemos/Spain watchers might be interested in:
http://www.ecorepublicano.es/2014/07/pablo-iglesias-ve-repugnantes-las.html
The President of the PP in Madrid Esperanza (hah!) Aguirre has accused the leader of Podemos of being "with Castroism, Chavism and ETA".
Obviously Iglesias has, and he has on many occasions in the past, made clear that he is against ETA's terrorism.
To add some context, Aguirre is a total fucking headbanger. In the not so distant past on a Spanish far-right 'libertarian' website she claimed that "Franco was a socialist".
http://www.ecorepublicano.es/2014/07/pablo-iglesias-ve-repugnantes-las.html
The President of the PP in Madrid Esperanza (hah!) Aguirre has accused the leader of Podemos of being "with Castroism, Chavism and ETA".
Obviously Iglesias has, and he has on many occasions in the past, made clear that he is against ETA's terrorism.
To add some context, Aguirre is a total fucking headbanger. In the not so distant past on a Spanish far-right 'libertarian' website she claimed that "Franco was a socialist".
JHE
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The accusation that Podemos, or more particularly Iglesias, is or was in favour of ETA's campaign of murder is unjustified. It's unfair. Meeting with rad Basque Nats who want to help ETA prisoners is not the same as agreeing with murder.
Associating Iglesias and Monedero with Chavez is a very different matter. As was pointed out on these boards on the night of the Euro elections: Both Pablo Iglesias and Juan Carlos Monedero have links to Chavismo. Iglesias has worked for a foundation funded by Venezuela and Monedero worked as an adviser to Hugo Chavez.
Associating Iglesias and Monedero with Chavez is a very different matter. As was pointed out on these boards on the night of the Euro elections: Both Pablo Iglesias and Juan Carlos Monedero have links to Chavismo. Iglesias has worked for a foundation funded by Venezuela and Monedero worked as an adviser to Hugo Chavez.
J Ed
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Podemos' associations with Bolivarian Venezuela is one of the many things that makes me so excited about the party. I don't consider it some kind of accusation or an insult, and I think that most of the party's supporters see through the bullshit and aren't put off by it either. Monedero is brilliant. I'm not about to argue that Venezuela offers the perfect model for people in Europe but it's a lot closer to what we need than what we have now, and let's be real here, Rajoy is more than happy to glorify and schmooze with one of the most brutal dictatorships in Africa in Equatorial Guinea so how can someone from the 'post'-fascist PP even dare to say anything about Cuba or Venezuela?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Aguirre is the one who really winds me up the most. She's infuriating in terms of her arrogance, her attitude, her Thatcher-worship, and was totally hell-bent on privatising everything when she was president of the Madrid region until 2012.
She has the classic "Ordinary people can go and fuck themselves!" (tm Andrea Fabra 2012) attitude, which was laid bare by her driving off from traffic police when she got a speeding ticket, but embarrassingly knocking one of their bikes over. They told her to stop twice, so she just decided to put her foot on the gas. One of them had to jump out of the way to avoid getting knocked over. This is the sense of entitlement the higher ranks of the PP feel. The one good thing about her is her Twitter-spoof was one of the funniest things on there.
There is a noticeable closing of ranks going on in the mainstream media regarding Podemos in recent weeks. El Pais seem to be sticking the knife into Iglesias as much as anyone else, which indicates that PSOE are worried and trying to pull strings behind the scenes. Obviously, everything to the right of El Pais is claiming that he's an out and out communist, while competition on the left are claiming he's trying to create a Beppe Grillo or even Front National style organisation. They can't all be right. Offical opposition to the Government and home to his best mates, La Sexta, are giving him a more than fair hearing, as are Publico. It's still 90% hostility versus 10% support overall though. Iglesias said that ETA's campaign had "political roots", which is more or less the same as saying that milk comes from cows. Obviously, sensible consideration of such a benign comment is impossible and is now being spun as "Pablo Iglesias is pro-ETA and anti-ETA victims".
I have heard he worked as an advisor to the Chávez government but I've no idea if that's propaganda or fact, muddied as the waters are sometimes. Do you have any idea about that? Podemos are so new and their future is so unclear that I'm not entirely sure what to make of them yet, but I know a smear campaign when I see one and it's in progress.
I wish everyone was obsessed with Uruguay as they are with Venezuela. There's a style of government I could live with.
She has the classic "Ordinary people can go and fuck themselves!" (tm Andrea Fabra 2012) attitude, which was laid bare by her driving off from traffic police when she got a speeding ticket, but embarrassingly knocking one of their bikes over. They told her to stop twice, so she just decided to put her foot on the gas. One of them had to jump out of the way to avoid getting knocked over. This is the sense of entitlement the higher ranks of the PP feel. The one good thing about her is her Twitter-spoof was one of the funniest things on there.
There is a noticeable closing of ranks going on in the mainstream media regarding Podemos in recent weeks. El Pais seem to be sticking the knife into Iglesias as much as anyone else, which indicates that PSOE are worried and trying to pull strings behind the scenes. Obviously, everything to the right of El Pais is claiming that he's an out and out communist, while competition on the left are claiming he's trying to create a Beppe Grillo or even Front National style organisation. They can't all be right. Offical opposition to the Government and home to his best mates, La Sexta, are giving him a more than fair hearing, as are Publico. It's still 90% hostility versus 10% support overall though. Iglesias said that ETA's campaign had "political roots", which is more or less the same as saying that milk comes from cows. Obviously, sensible consideration of such a benign comment is impossible and is now being spun as "Pablo Iglesias is pro-ETA and anti-ETA victims".
I have heard he worked as an advisor to the Chávez government but I've no idea if that's propaganda or fact, muddied as the waters are sometimes. Do you have any idea about that? Podemos are so new and their future is so unclear that I'm not entirely sure what to make of them yet, but I know a smear campaign when I see one and it's in progress.
I wish everyone was obsessed with Uruguay as they are with Venezuela. There's a style of government I could live with.
J Ed
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The propaganda from El País before we even start on El Mundo let alone the ultra-right ABC has been absolutely unreal, the slew of unsubstantiated allegations of support and funding from Iran, Cuba, Venezuela etc really does show how scared the Spanish oligarchy are of Podemos.
BTW Favelado, Monedero did work as an advisor to the Venezuelan government but imo that is no bad thing, the left in Britain has a lot to learn from the use of the media by the left elsewhere and I wish we had a Monedero of our own here!
BTW Favelado, Monedero did work as an advisor to the Venezuelan government but imo that is no bad thing, the left in Britain has a lot to learn from the use of the media by the left elsewhere and I wish we had a Monedero of our own here!
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
I don't think having the mainstream press and parties go after them will do Podemos or Iglesias much harm. After all, if your schtick is "the entire establishment is La Casta" it kinda lends credibility to your arguments if they all close ranks to call you a commie.
Podemos Malasaña even ironically denied that Aguirre was working for them the other day, so beneficial did they deem her intervention.
Podemos Malasaña even ironically denied that Aguirre was working for them the other day, so beneficial did they deem her intervention.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
El Mundo is to the right of El Pais but the latter has actually angered me more in recent weeks in relation to both the question of the monarchy and Podemos. PSOE seem to have taken over their printing presses, either that or the entire editorial team succumbed to a huge case of cowardice. As a centre/centre-left newspaper I'd at least have expected El Pais to ask questions or promote debate but the message was one of steady, measured support from Felipe from the day the story broke. You can't help but think that they were an integral part of the transition plan. Again, with Podemos, their line has been PSOE's line. I suppose that's not so surprising in a way but I would have expected them to offer somewhat balanced reporting rather than loudhaling.
The odd thing about El Mundo is that despite its unpleasant day-to-day right-wing leanings, I reckon their editor is more likely to run a story that exposes a scandal in the monarchy. It was El Mundo who first broke Barcenas if I recall correctly, and I think they like sending their journalists out to get scoops. They dont seem to suffer from El Pais's timidity.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Irony in Malasaña. Who'd have guessed?
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
El País isn't timid, it was always very centrist and turned further right after its last bout of financial problems meant a substantial chunk of it got taken over by right-wing arseholes. There was a scandal a few months back cause it was revealed the new owners had deliberately got them to lay off Rajoy.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Not too timid criticising the Left...
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Ah, got you.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
could a passing mod pls change the thread title to 'broken news:..."
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm still all 
about the new bloke doing a victory lap in francos old motor. wtf.
about the new bloke doing a victory lap in francos old motor. wtf.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
http://www.cuatro.com/las-mananas-d...ventud-resultado-trabajando_2_1821255039.html
Ramon Espinar of Juventud sin futuro saying it like it is.
We aren't beginning an economic recovery in terms of how the economy functioned before [the recession], we're now beginning to see the results of the crisis [worse jobs, worse pay and conditions, more precarity, more in-work poverty]
Ramon Espinar of Juventud sin futuro saying it like it is.
We aren't beginning an economic recovery in terms of how the economy functioned before [the recession], we're now beginning to see the results of the crisis [worse jobs, worse pay and conditions, more precarity, more in-work poverty]
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