spion spion spion ( shakes head) .. i started this thread .. er so as not to distract from the bombing thread
So why does Israel do what it does?
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Then why answer a post asking whether there were "non-fascist justifications" if you don't believe that the justifications you came out with are anything more than excuses?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
If that is the case then why do you come across as being so naive?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You know that there were already Jews living in Palestine before the arrival of the first European settlers and that they were regarded as second class citizens by the Europeans?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And in turn those first Euro-Jew settlers also regarded the mass of post-Holocaust Jewish immigrants with contempt, except insofar as they lent a certain veneer of respectability to the manouverings of the nationalist-Zionist power structure.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Yep, it's a rather curious state of affairs for a country that loves to give itself the image of homogenous Jewish identity.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
All the while seeing the identity cleavages between Jews causing social problems in their own state.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
If the palestinians didn't exist there would be civil war in israel itself.
and class war
nationalism is geared foremost and firstmost to defeating class war
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
and class war
That's like a slogan that's been spraypainted on a wall in some piss-soaked alley. Ta.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
indeed, where all the best slogans appear firstThat's like a slogan that's been spraypainted on a wall in some piss-soaked alley. Ta.
but surely you do not disagree that nationalism is used to fuck up class conciousness and class unity?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
are you for real?indeed, where all the best slogans appear first
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
March 2nd, 1951
HOMELESS IN GAZA
Plight of Arab refugees in Palestine
To most people the name of Gaza brings a picture of blind Samson pulling down the pillars of the house upon the Philistines and himself. Today, the reputed tomb of Samson is inhabited by a family of Arab refugees. They form part of the horde of some 200,000 people from Palestine who poured into the Gaza Strip in 1948, durig the troubles between the Arabs and the Jews which broke out after the partition plan was announced. Man moved out under orders from their leaders, although implored to stay by Jews with whom they had been on friendly terms for years. Others, particularly the townspeople of Jaffa, were driven to flight by the brutality of the Irgun terrorists, and a massacre of innocent villagers at Dir Yassin, magnified by rumour, struck panic into the hearts of thousands.
The refugees in the north gravitated to the Lebanon and Syria, those to the east to Judea, the Jordan valley, and Transiordan, while those in the south turned towards Gaza, which was held by the Egyptians and is now under military government.
The "Strip", only 25 miles long and five miles wide, runs from Gaza to the Sinai frontier at Rafah. Last August the total number of Arab refugees receiving rations from the United Nations was 860,000, and because of the high birth-rate this number is steadily increasing.
Roughly half of these are in the Kingdom of Jordan, a quarter in the Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, and a quarter in Gaza. There are two alternatives possible for them - repatriation or resettlement.
In December, 1948, the United Nations Assembly resolved that "the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so."
Continue here: http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/to...07-013&pageId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1951-03-02-07
HOMELESS IN GAZA
Plight of Arab refugees in Palestine
To most people the name of Gaza brings a picture of blind Samson pulling down the pillars of the house upon the Philistines and himself. Today, the reputed tomb of Samson is inhabited by a family of Arab refugees. They form part of the horde of some 200,000 people from Palestine who poured into the Gaza Strip in 1948, durig the troubles between the Arabs and the Jews which broke out after the partition plan was announced. Man moved out under orders from their leaders, although implored to stay by Jews with whom they had been on friendly terms for years. Others, particularly the townspeople of Jaffa, were driven to flight by the brutality of the Irgun terrorists, and a massacre of innocent villagers at Dir Yassin, magnified by rumour, struck panic into the hearts of thousands.
The refugees in the north gravitated to the Lebanon and Syria, those to the east to Judea, the Jordan valley, and Transiordan, while those in the south turned towards Gaza, which was held by the Egyptians and is now under military government.
The "Strip", only 25 miles long and five miles wide, runs from Gaza to the Sinai frontier at Rafah. Last August the total number of Arab refugees receiving rations from the United Nations was 860,000, and because of the high birth-rate this number is steadily increasing.
Roughly half of these are in the Kingdom of Jordan, a quarter in the Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, and a quarter in Gaza. There are two alternatives possible for them - repatriation or resettlement.
In December, 1948, the United Nations Assembly resolved that "the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so."
Continue here: http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/to...07-013&pageId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1951-03-02-07
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The issue does tend to act as an obscuring and deflecting factor, helping to remove pressure from issues that would otherwise generate lots of social friction, that's for sure.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
March 2nd, 1951
HOMELESS IN GAZA
The only exit from the Gaza Strip, which is hemmed in by Israel, is to Egypt, and there the refugees are not welcome. They are virtually imprisoned in the area, their only means of escape being a dangerous moonlight flit through Jewish territory.
Meanwhile, 70,000 of them have crammed themselves into Gaza town, more than doubling its inhabitants. Over-crowded rooms are let at extortionate rents and those unable to afford them have taken to tents, makeshift shelters, even holes in the ground.
On every bit of spare ground pitiable shacks can be seen, made of canvas, sacking, boughs of trees, and bits of tin. Outside the town huge scattered camps have grown up round the villages and two former British Army camps.
In Breij about 8,000 refugees are in tents or makeshifts and 6,000 in buildings of varying degrees of soundness. Many of these are large barracks with fairly sound walls and roofs but lacking doors and windows.
Inside each is a honeycomb of 30 or 40 cubicles, divided by mud walls or partitions of blankets. In each cell live one, two, or three families, the lucky ones being those with a window. In the larders and kitchens of these ex-Army canteens the refugees huddle among the sinks and stoves, and in the bath-houses they lie down to sleep among the showers or in the boiler rooms.
Those under canvas have fared no better, for many tents which were in reasonable shape when issued quickly rotted in the rain and gales of winter, and total replacement was impossible.
The tents, too, are over-crowded, and even the small ones are often divided by a canvas partition separating two families. Privacy, even by Arab standards, is impossible in such conditions. In addition, there is the corrosion of idleness and despair, eating into moral fibre and breeding bitterness and discontent.
The Gaza scene, especially in spring, is a pleasant one, with its undulating hills and deep green orange groves. There are orchards of almond and fig and fields of corn and vegetables.
But all the crops depend upon expensive artificial irrigation or the short rainy season, and among the oases of cultivation are great tracts of desert sand. There are no possibilities of agricultural or industrial development, and all the Clapp Commission could suggest was some road works and tree planting to prevent the encroachment of the sand.
The United Nations rations keep the recipients above starvation level, and there are extras for those who can afford them; but resources are running out, and hunger makes the temptation to cheat and steal overwhelming. A few hundred are employed on weaving and tailoring and 1,500 on relief work, but many thousands of able-bodied men have no occupation whatever.
Bodies as well as hearts grow sick with hope deferred, and though there has been no major epidemic there is a high incidence of tuberculosis and respiratory diseases and inadequate means of treating them. At the English Church Missionary Society hospital Dr. Hargreaves and his staff are heroically coping with 90 in-patients instead of 30 and vast out-patient clinics.
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/to...07-013&pageId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1951-03-02-07
HOMELESS IN GAZA
The only exit from the Gaza Strip, which is hemmed in by Israel, is to Egypt, and there the refugees are not welcome. They are virtually imprisoned in the area, their only means of escape being a dangerous moonlight flit through Jewish territory.
Meanwhile, 70,000 of them have crammed themselves into Gaza town, more than doubling its inhabitants. Over-crowded rooms are let at extortionate rents and those unable to afford them have taken to tents, makeshift shelters, even holes in the ground.
On every bit of spare ground pitiable shacks can be seen, made of canvas, sacking, boughs of trees, and bits of tin. Outside the town huge scattered camps have grown up round the villages and two former British Army camps.
In Breij about 8,000 refugees are in tents or makeshifts and 6,000 in buildings of varying degrees of soundness. Many of these are large barracks with fairly sound walls and roofs but lacking doors and windows.
Inside each is a honeycomb of 30 or 40 cubicles, divided by mud walls or partitions of blankets. In each cell live one, two, or three families, the lucky ones being those with a window. In the larders and kitchens of these ex-Army canteens the refugees huddle among the sinks and stoves, and in the bath-houses they lie down to sleep among the showers or in the boiler rooms.
Those under canvas have fared no better, for many tents which were in reasonable shape when issued quickly rotted in the rain and gales of winter, and total replacement was impossible.
The tents, too, are over-crowded, and even the small ones are often divided by a canvas partition separating two families. Privacy, even by Arab standards, is impossible in such conditions. In addition, there is the corrosion of idleness and despair, eating into moral fibre and breeding bitterness and discontent.
The Gaza scene, especially in spring, is a pleasant one, with its undulating hills and deep green orange groves. There are orchards of almond and fig and fields of corn and vegetables.
But all the crops depend upon expensive artificial irrigation or the short rainy season, and among the oases of cultivation are great tracts of desert sand. There are no possibilities of agricultural or industrial development, and all the Clapp Commission could suggest was some road works and tree planting to prevent the encroachment of the sand.
The United Nations rations keep the recipients above starvation level, and there are extras for those who can afford them; but resources are running out, and hunger makes the temptation to cheat and steal overwhelming. A few hundred are employed on weaving and tailoring and 1,500 on relief work, but many thousands of able-bodied men have no occupation whatever.
Bodies as well as hearts grow sick with hope deferred, and though there has been no major epidemic there is a high incidence of tuberculosis and respiratory diseases and inadequate means of treating them. At the English Church Missionary Society hospital Dr. Hargreaves and his staff are heroically coping with 90 in-patients instead of 30 and vast out-patient clinics.
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/to...07-013&pageId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1951-03-02-07
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Except that in the state of Israel at present the cleavages between ashkenazim andmizrahim and the other identity groups is far more of a cause of trouble than class is.and class war
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So, after the direct slaughter will follow, as inevitably as night follows day, deaths caused by diseases exacerbated by war and it's effects on infrastructure, the Gazans having cholera, typhus and dysentery, as well as malnutrition to look forward to.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
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