Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
Israel is going to be sorry then. I doubt I can change your mind, but I always enjoy preaching to the choir.
Its a rather black and white viewpoint that you have taken here to say the least. You are angry at the rockets from Palestine but you have overlooked the faults of Israel. It has oppressed and killed Palestinians in far greater numbers has it not? I'm talking prior to this barbaric action that the Zionist forces are now undertaking. Are the Israeli government full of virtue and righteous intention then? Well as Bernie Gunther and others have been explaining, no it isn't.
What you said about hoping Gaza will be completely destroyed was horrible. I hope you will at least regret that. You have also come in here and clearly not understood the discussion. You say this is just about Jew-hate, or words to that effect. In fact several of the most prominent contributors to this discussion are Jews. Furthermore, there where one or two posters who did in fact fit that description but where quickly condemned and banned/ told where to go.
You say that it is the fault of Hamas for breaking the truce. Weather that is true or not, do you think anything short of entirely destroying Gaza is going to increase Israel’s security? You would be happy for them to do that and think they would be justified?
The Zionist element is evil Sass. They have all along abused the Palestinians. You think that they simply want to live in peace with the Palestinians and that Hamas have disrupted this? This isn’t true. It doesn’t suit the Zionist aims, and it doesn’t reflect their behavior. They want to destroy the Palestinians as a people. Always have done. And the abuses have been going on for a long time.
So I won’t be wishing you a happy new year, just as the Gazans tonight are not going to enjoy it. You seem to think that innocent people being bombed is justifiable. Eye for an eye is it Sas? I thought you professed yourself to be a Christian. You might think you are, but I fear you are mistaken.
The great majority of Gazans want a two state solution, 72% according to one of the articles below. Here is the caveat, according to the agreed 1967 borders. Who is it that is violating these borders? Its not so simple is it Sass?
Hamas offered Israel a long, long ceasefire and a de facto acceptance of two states, if only Israel would return to its legal borders.
Instead Israel has barricaded the Gazans into what effectively is a concentration camp. People there have minimal food, unemployment is over 70% and access to medical treatment is very scarce. All these are the results of Gaza being sealed off by land and sea.
In these circumstances some people have unfortunately fired rockets. These are crudely built devices according to the BBC, which anybody with a welding torch and some explosives could assemble.
Now pay attention here please:
Before it falls down the memory hole, we should remember that last week, Hamas offered a ceasefire in return for basic and achievable compromises. Don't take my word for it. According to the Israeli press, Yuval Diskin, the current head of the Israeli security service Shin Bet, "told the Israeli cabinet [on 23 December] that Hamas is interested in continuing the truce, but wants to improve its terms." Diskin explained that Hamas was requesting two things: an end to the blockade, and an Israeli ceasefire on the West Bank. The cabinet – high with election fever and eager to appear tough – rejected these terms.
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Why would Israel act this way? The Israeli government wants peace, but only one imposed on its own terms, based on the acceptance of defeat by the Palestinians. It means the Israelis can keep the slabs of the West Bank on "their" side of the wall. It means they keep the largest settlements and control the water supply. And it means a divided Palestine, with responsibility for Gaza hived off to Egypt, and the broken-up West Bank standing alone. Negotiations threaten this vision: they would require Israel to give up more than it wants to. But an imposed peace will be no peace at all: it will not stop the rockets or the rage. For real safety, Israel will have to talk to the people it is blockading and bombing today, and compromise with them.
You see Sass, Israel has the power to seek peace if it wanted it and was prepared to act reasonably. But that is not in line with the Zionist objectives.
And finally Sass, guess who has created, encouraged and by its actions supported Hamas? That’s right Israel. Again, it suits their agenda.
I’m quoting from Haraatz here, which is a respected Israeli publication. The article I quote discusses the ways in which Israel has caused Hamas to prosper:
Do everything humanly possible to keep Gazans out of work
This benefits Hamas in a number of ways.
On a political level, if Gazans are forbidden from working in Israel, we can be certain that their only impressions of Israelis and of Israeli society will be those processed and broadcast by Hamas. The message will be clear: Israelis are bloodthirsty reincarnations of the Nazis. Israelis are monstrous defilers of Muslim shrines, ravenous thieves of Arab property, money-grubbing, international power-broking genocidal usurpers of Arab land. Israel is what stands between Palestinians and the glorious future of prosperity that is their birthright.
Certainly, this makes it easier for Gazans to support the concept of rocket attacks against Israeli towns, and the recent massacre at the Mercaz Harav yeshiva in Jerusalem.
On a financial level, if Israel bars Gazans from crossing in to work, if Israel freezes out subcontractors which once-shipped Gaza-manufactured good to Israeli firms, if Israel forbids the passage of raw materials across the border to allow Gaza industries to remain open, the Jewish state will be held responsible for the deepening despair of the Strip, something which Hamas has done nothing to rectify, but which can be blamed on Israel.
The result is already horrendous. Four of five Gazans now live on $2 or less a day, fed by donations from international agencies. Seven of 10 are out of work. Those who do work, bring in meager incomes. Electricity lasts for a quarter to a third of the day, following Israel's June bombing of the Strip's power station.’
Do not press for international peace keepers in Gaza
There is reason to believe that UN, EU, and other peacekeepers on the ground in northern Gaza could have an influence in curtailing Qassam fire, thus helping protect the Gaza population as well as the people of Sderot and the western Negev.’
This is from another Haraatz article: ‘Is Israel deliberately strengthening Hamas?
The deliberations over the Palestinians and the methods of coping with the blockade should be converted into a discussion about the Israelis - about those who make policy and the many diligent people who carry it out, about the many citizens who support and encourage it.
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People in the Israeli cabinet, Defense Ministry and Shin Bet security service know full well what they are doing when they prohibit anything other than essential food or medicines from passing through the checkpoints, when they prohibit the entry of raw materials and the exit of agricultural and industrial products and prevent normal human traffic for studies, medical care, work or family. Don't underestimate them and don't belittle their judgment.
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The extraordinary conditions of the extreme siege and the disconnection between Gaza and the West Bank (another intentional Israeli policy) have made the possibility of holding new Palestinian general elections a very distant one. Hamas can thus bolster its rule with coercion, wages, charity and the consoling power of religion.
And perhaps that is exactly what the Shin Bet, Israel Defense Forces and government want?
You shouldn’t just come blustering in here with your “bomb it to ashes”, “you all hate Jews” bullshit. I ask you to at least read the following links before contributing anything further.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...is-not-the-one-israel-is-telling-1214981.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/967828.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1037879.html
