Plenty of people with far more knowledge than you were saying other things. How did you choose?
Should There Be A Tier 5 Or Another Third National Lockdown?
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maomao
普費斯
I don't remember any serious scientists calling for a full lockdown in October and most sources have been downplaying the possible consequences of mutation in this virus. On the whole coronaviruses mutate much less readily than flu viruses for instance (which are capable of merging with other flu viruses and can make much bigger jumps). In fact the current situation is still specific to the UK in that it seems to have mutated here and other countries have some warning of its arrival. If it wasn't for the massively increased transmissibility full lockdown would still be the wrong thing to do.
Exactly. Those are the people who DON’T need it cos they’ve got money coming in. They are idiots. It’s those in the gig economy or on zero hours that need help.
edit: actually you can get it when employed:
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
is there any country that has done this?
maomao
普費斯
China, but not nationally.
OH yeah, and the Sage guy with his GF coming round, the one with the second house, SMP getting the train. Comings was definitely the most blatent example of 1 rule for x. That stuff doesn't make me think it's fine to go to a party or hang around with a massive group in the park. But it makes me feel less guilty about bending the rules that I might have anyway.
E.g. I met friends for drinks in the park back around then. Which IIRC was fine. But going into their flat to use the toilet, was against the rules.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
In the face of a global pandemic I’ve tended to prioritise the views of those urging caution and giving warnings. Safe over sorry etc.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Well, benefits isn’t enough to live on so I don’t begrudge them extra at all. For me it’s a principle of universality. If you have to self isolate you get paid well to do so.
Steel Icarus
we move
Independent Sage calls for immediate lockdown - Research Professional News
Warning comes after government disregarded advice from official Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies
www.researchprofessionalnews.com
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
By those rules Mr W (who doesn't go out to work) would get the £500 (ESA and housing benefit in his name) but I (who work full time) wouldn't, despite us sharing the household bills and essentially having a joint low income.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Apart from those who did?
maomao
普費斯
Circuit breaker a bit different from what we need now no?Independent Sage calls for immediate lockdown - Research Professional News
Warning comes after government disregarded advice from official Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies
I don’t need it and wouldn’t accept it though. The money should be there to support people who would otherwise be forced to go to work.
Steel Icarus
we move
Well, a circuit breaker to my understanding is a national lockdown but for a shorter period. Point is they were saying the Tier system won't be enough. And it hasn't been.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
For two three weeks.Independent Sage calls for immediate lockdown - Research Professional News
Warning comes after government disregarded advice from official Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yes there is, but even if there wasn't, that isn't in itself an argument against doing it.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
The news seems to have stopped doing any reporting on the police's opinion on enforcing the various different levels of restrictions. Earlier in the year there was quite a lot of coverage of county police groups complaining about lack of resources or guidance, but it's gone extremely quiet now.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
It’s a broader political principle for me. I think things that are universal help create a sense of a collective identity. I don’t mind if some benefit when they might not really need it if the overall outcome is that all those who would need it do benefit.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Aside from the suggestion of China which was regional not national which country?
Plumdaff
joy in people
The circuit breaker was very effective. Welsh government absolutely fucked it by completely opening up way too fast afterwards, or by not staying in for longer, but the problem wasn't the circuit break.
Wales' firebreak lockdown most effective at cutting Covid reproduction rate, study shows
Wales’ firebreak lockdown in October and November was the most effective at reducing the Covid-19 reproduction rate – cutting it by 44 per cent, a study has found. In comparison, England’s four-week November tier system lockdown only cut the ‘R rate’ by 10 per cent under Tier Three measures and...
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Fair enough
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
And this of course is a far easier system to administer, and would almost certainly save costs in the long run.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Fair enough
I also don’t trust the government to appropriately apply any sort of means testing principles well enough or quick enough. It’s a killer virus, let’s just pay and be done.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
The circuit breaker in Wales wasn't enough. It was a lockdown, for 2 weeks. And it was an idea stolen from Johnson himself who advocated it for about 2 minutes, after stealing the very idea from Singapore.
It did immediately flatten out the curve a little, even pushed it the other way. But 2 weeks was never going to be enough and it was tokenism from the Senedd, who wanted to be seen to be 'doing something' while Johnson floundered.
The circuit breaker not being enough isn't an argument for no lockdown. It's an argument for a fuller, longer lockdown.
And, tbh, fuck the 'glee' stuff. Where do those who are suggesting it think this 'glee' is coming from? A love of repression? That seems to be the suggestion. And stuff those who might just be suggesting harder lockdowns as the only way out of it?
Glee? Life is miserable right now. My life has totally changed. And I'd like a way out of that. But the way out is not more half-arsed measures that will produce more of the same. I'd quite like an end to this. But killing more people doesn't seem an option when you are one of those possible people.
Can't help thinking if thus virus started killing a few more non-vulnerable under 60s then some non-vulnerable under 60s might change their tune on here. And that, of course, would be pretty selfish of them if it's true.
Away with your glee. I'm just kinda touchy about dying.
It did immediately flatten out the curve a little, even pushed it the other way. But 2 weeks was never going to be enough and it was tokenism from the Senedd, who wanted to be seen to be 'doing something' while Johnson floundered.
The circuit breaker not being enough isn't an argument for no lockdown. It's an argument for a fuller, longer lockdown.
And, tbh, fuck the 'glee' stuff. Where do those who are suggesting it think this 'glee' is coming from? A love of repression? That seems to be the suggestion. And stuff those who might just be suggesting harder lockdowns as the only way out of it?
Glee? Life is miserable right now. My life has totally changed. And I'd like a way out of that. But the way out is not more half-arsed measures that will produce more of the same. I'd quite like an end to this. But killing more people doesn't seem an option when you are one of those possible people.
Can't help thinking if thus virus started killing a few more non-vulnerable under 60s then some non-vulnerable under 60s might change their tune on here. And that, of course, would be pretty selfish of them if it's true.
Away with your glee. I'm just kinda touchy about dying.
editor
hiraethified
Shut the fucking schools for fuck's sakes and provide proper support for parents who are struggling.The circuit breaker was very effective. Welsh government absolutely fucked it by completely opening up way too fast afterwards, or by not staying in for longer, but the problem wasn't the circuit break.
Wales' firebreak lockdown most effective at cutting Covid reproduction rate, study shows
Wales’ firebreak lockdown in October and November was the most effective at reducing the Covid-19 reproduction rate – cutting it by 44 per cent, a study has found. In comparison, England’s four-week November tier system lockdown only cut the ‘R rate’ by 10 per cent under Tier Three measures and...nation.cymru
editor
hiraethified
I haven't earned a penny since March and I've got no prospect of any work in the foreseeable future. The government has given me a paltry £1,700 to cover the entire period so I'm burning through my savings at a depressing rate. Everything I do is linked to the hospitality trade so there's zero prospect of things improving.
Despite that, I still think we should have an immediate sensible lockdown for three weeks minimum. For me, that means keeping risky spaces like gyms, hairdressers and schools closed.
Shops have to stay open and so should parks because people need to feel what little sunshine they can get and walking is essential to mental health.
Despite that, I still think we should have an immediate sensible lockdown for three weeks minimum. For me, that means keeping risky spaces like gyms, hairdressers and schools closed.
Shops have to stay open and so should parks because people need to feel what little sunshine they can get and walking is essential to mental health.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Ringer gangs coming off furlough
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Yup, lots of us are caught out that way. Mrs LR and I aren’t married but her work pension counts against my UC, and the level of income I had in my self employment in the 12 months before lockdown 1 was shit, so if they use that as a gauge I’m fucked too.
I mean we’re OK. We aren’t destitute. But real people’s real situations fall between the cracks.
miss direct
misfungled
Agree with you editor.
Parks and seasides were closed in Turkey for months. You couldn't access beaches because they were all taped up and police/army patrolled. That just led to silly situations where people had to walk in the middle of roads to get any exercise.
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