teuchter
je suis teuchter
What's a "wide area LTN" exactly? Is there some kind of threshold in area or combined road length or something?
Petition to request parliament review LTNs
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Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Greens’ll probs scrap it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Do you live outside of Brighton?
The problem with park & ride is that it encourages people from outside the city to drive some distance to the P&R rather than taking public transport from the place closest to their home.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
ianarmstrong
Active Member
I’ll revise that suggestion to make it clearer what I mean as my suggestion would be to put no entry signs at the start of one or two roads with no need to use ANPR cameras as virtually everyone understands and obeys the standard no entry sign
As a non car owner I’m not much interested in this debate. But as someone who lives close to a major road It’s a piss take that car owners in cul-de-sacs are considered worthy to be protected from the fumes they’re happy to subject me to.
ianarmstrong
Active Member
I use it to describe the LTNs imposed during the pandemic as they cover a much wider area than any set of road closures I’ve seen before - the 5 LTNs introduced by Lambeth are all pretty big and encompass 10 to 20 if not more roads hence the term wide area
hash tag
Books, not bombs
ianarmstrong returning to the neighbourhood of Juniper Drive, I trust you have seen the debates on next door regarding the Wandsworth Bridge Road area. There are simply too many cars on the road. People don't seem to realise they are the problem. If there were less cars around, people would be able to get around much quicker. Driving around Wandsworth for work (the car is essential), I think I must average 5 mph.
ianarmstrong
Active Member
They are in order of number of signatures
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
/me shakes head disaprovingly
Anyone?
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Just wait for 30 years then you can be in favour of the new ones.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
you what?
So actually you want something like what's already been implemented, just that instead of trying to enforce the no entry locations with cameras and fines, we just don't enforce them, because it's fine, everyone obeys them anyway?
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Of course, every road user obeys every regulation all the time, or hadn't you noticed.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
They aren't cul-de-sacs they are rat runs so through roads that become protected
They’re cul-de-sacs if nobody but them have use driving in them?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The cul de sac dwellers benefit more from these schemes than you do, this is true. However, that doesn't mean that you don't benefit from them too, especially in the longer term. Nor does it mean that the overall benefit to everyone in general isn't worthwhile pursuing.
maomao
普費斯
It's pretty well established that just as building more roads leads to induced demand and more car journeys, making driving more difficult leads to car evaporation and less car driving. So I'm not convinced that the effect you're claiming exists or if it does that it will persist.
Also, cul-de-sacs are already no through roads and tend not to be the specific targets of new LTNs (though may be included).
I was using cul-de-sac creatively rather than literally.
maomao
普費斯
Confusingly.
I do benefit from less private car journeys if that’s true but not where all the traffic are sitting on Romford Road which I live next to. Also as a non private car owner taxi journeys now take longer and ergo the price goes up so I’m not benefiting there either as a non private car owner.
If estates are no longer through roads what are they? Not that confusing really.
liquidindian
Hello
There should be fewer cars, yes.
maomao
普費斯
No-through roads. Its a real phrase.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
10/10 for persistence ianarmstrong. It's far more common for someone to post something like that here and then vanish after a few not so friendly replies, so good effort staying and defending it!
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
The idea that houses on the main/boundary roads are all full of workers whereas sideroads are full of the middle classes is also pretty much nonsense. You can't pack enough people into the main roads to service MC needs, so clearly lots of WC people live on those side roads too. And then there's the fact that in may places, such a distinction is entirely false. Where I live, the main roads have the big old houses that were. built for professionals, and the workers were left to live in small places the side street. Exactly the same where I grew up as well. Of course that is not true everywhere, not even on the other side of Sheffield. But any claim that is the norm is completely mistaken. Just vague ideas for the hard of thinking.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Is this all based on the premise that the main road you live next to has become busier/more congested as a result of an LTN being implemented?
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