LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I agree, although that does effectively extend the ban to pretty much everywhere including social housing and public parks. I mean I'm reluctantly OK with that, but that does really outlaw it completely pretty much.
The Khan review on smoking
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I agree, although that does effectively extend the ban to pretty much everywhere including social housing and public parks. I mean I'm reluctantly OK with that, but that does really outlaw it completely pretty much.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Very unlikely that will ever happen, I don't think we know each other, so chill the fuck out.
maomao
普費斯
At my local Christmas funfair, rammed with kids, there were scumbags smoking everywhere. It was horrible. Personally I'd license a few smoking pubs or clubs (though not really sure how to handle the issue of staff) but ban it anywhere outdoors kids are likely to be.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Thankfully the government seem minded to ignore this:
The Khan review: making smoking obsolete
Independent review by Dr Javed Khan OBE into the government’s ambition to make England smokefree by 2030.www.gov.uk
..because it gets pretty batshit:
Banning Social Housing tenants smoking in their own homes ? I do get regular complaints about cigarette smoke , but I also get regular complaints about people smoking skunk , we cant stop them doing that , so fuck all chance of policing people smoking their snout.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Yep, as someone who works in the sector , no way we can police this.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I smoked for 40 years and stopped 10 years ago, most of that time I was a heavy smoker (40-60 a day). Stopping was one of the most difficult things I've ever done. But as an ex smoker I wouldn't dream of making life harder for smokers, nor would I complain about tobacco smells in their homes. If people want to smoke in their home, it should be entirely up to them and those they live with. All the rest is controlling shit.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
They used a funny strategy on the trains in France before the smoking ban came in:
they stopped cleaning out the yucky smell from the smoking carriages for 6 month or so before the ban came in, these were then empty for those months, as they bloody well reeked.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Mrs Sas has a friend she visits who is a smoker. When she comes home, her clothes go in the wash and she goes in the shower. Even her hair is reeking of smoke.
I must say, I'm not terribly happy when you come out of ASDA and have to go through a cloud of tobacco smoke, quite unpleasant.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
If it becomes a thing, then it will definitely end up being selectively enforced, weaponised by other tenants, etc.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
It already is a thing here (Almond Housing), and is enforced. People smoke outside of the house. There is a private rent rent three doors from us, the landlord does not allow smoking, the tenants smoke on the doorstep.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Absolutely. If someone smokes in their house, it is your choice to visit.
We stay on Islay for a week or so with my SIL who is a smoker. She smokes roll ups though, which doesn't honk as much as tailor mades.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
50 years ago banning smoking is restaurants and pubs was seen as ‘extreme’ . Now it’s bizarre to think antisocial selfish twats used be able to fuck those spaces up for everyone else.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
No, if you sit there drinking vodka shots next to me all evening, whilst you might try to punch me in the face later, I’m not going to get liver failure or DTs as a result.
maomao
普費斯
What if the people they live with are their children? Or social housing tenants with little choice in the matter? Or their partners/friends who don't really like it but would take their side in an argument with the landlord?
maomao
普費斯
Drunk people are rubbish at fighting. It's only when they fight other drunk people that it sometimes looks impressive.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
An excellent point.
maomao
普費斯
I'd ban smoking in a house with kids regardless of ownership.
And what about non-smoking tenants and renters? Why shouldn't they have the same right to smoke free living quarters as homeowners? Everyone's whining about poor smokers being picked on but it's the poor who suffer most from smoking.
No, I am not really much of a banner of anything, tbh. In theory, it often sounds good...but in practice, I think we all need to take a wee step back from demanding state control of individual behaviours and attitudes And I am struggling to see why smoking at home has such a deleterious affect on non-smokers...apart from not liking some smell (if you saw the decor I inherited from a previous tenant!!!...and obvious pet infestation) I gotta say, I fucking loathe cats but would never, in a million years, consider any sort of ban (even though I am pretty certain I could quote public health anxieties around toxoplasmosis and cat shit) but hey, I am vastly uncomfortable with the whole ban this, ban that sort of thing.
a short visit obviously doesn't have much of an effect, but often smokers live with non smokers
maomao
普費斯
Second hand smoking causes lung cancer.
Also, I was the child of a smoker, I was smoking by the age of fourteen and my twenty-eight years of smoking may well have contributed to my own child's cancer (even though I gave up before he was even conceived). I'd treat smoking round kids the same as any other form of child abuse, like knocking them about or raping them. That's not a ban, it's just protecting those who don't get a say.
Yossarian
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Yeah, I think certainly if there's a home where the children are experiencing persistent bronchitis, ear infections, and other ailments associated with secondhand smoking it wouldn't be a bad idea for any resident chainsmokers to be ordered to at least take it outside.
Yes, this is indeed the case in my house, KillerB (I have not been a smoker for the last few months but sweetheart still not managing to quit), but there is no freaking way I want some state apparatus piling in to lay punitive fines (cos it will invariably be monetised as some sort of revenue stream) on my partner.
Ah maomao - I have been a lifelong drug-addict - do you think I should have had my children taken from me because of child abuse. ..should I be evicted? Punished?...in a sort of one size fits all statutory ruling...regardless of the outcome of my parenting abilities, my children's happiness and desires? What if I was obese - should that be punishable as some sort of child abuse? The law is a blunt instrument and the state has shown itself to be callous, brutal, mendacious, politically aligned (with capital) and anything but fair. At the very least, have a word with yourself. I get your personal feelings here but this is a slippery, dangerous slope.
maomao
普費斯
Did you force your children to take any of the other drugs you were on?
No, obviously not...but the same arguments, discussing parenting abilities and safeguarding were flying around.especially an insistence that children of addicts were almost inevitably destined to follow the same life paths. How about other health choices, such as sugar, poor nutrition leading to obesity? Uncontrolled access to screens? There are many public health interventions I applaud...and the overall picture is always more complicated (such as where do we remove these children to - wards of the state? ) Look, I honestly see where you are coming from, as a parent, but I absolutely question your belief that this requires some sort of punitive state intervention....but mostly, I think, what got my back up was the control over tenants in social housing which would not/could not apply to privately owned households.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
I think the vast majority of smokers know it's a stinking, damaging to others habit and don't smoke indoors. I used to smoke in the garden/balcony when I was a full time smoker. If neither was available and I was really desperate I'd stick my head out of the window as much as possible (this was where I lived, because I didn't like my room to smell of smoking).
HOWEVER it was my own choice, if there was some gvmt. twat telling me I wasn't allowed to smoke indoors that would really really piss me off, especially young, angry rebellious me. I'd end up smoking indoors on purpose.
Some of you seem to think smokers are degenerate addicts who can't think beyond themselves and smoking
. It's not crack, it's nicotine!
HOWEVER it was my own choice, if there was some gvmt. twat telling me I wasn't allowed to smoke indoors that would really really piss me off, especially young, angry rebellious me. I'd end up smoking indoors on purpose.
Some of you seem to think smokers are degenerate addicts who can't think beyond themselves and smoking
. It's not crack, it's nicotine!
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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
There shouldn't be any smoking in a house with children. Smokers should go outside for a fag.
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