The Khan review on smoking
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Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
What an honour! My first ever blocking on Twitter is from baccy rimmer himself 
Seems he didn't like this...
Yeah I have a shit twitter handle. Old business idea that never got going now I just use it to wind people up every now and then. I am ecstatic that he's my first blocking. He also got rather pissy with me when I fake reviewed one of his books years ago. What a snowflake
Seems he didn't like this...
Yeah I have a shit twitter handle. Old business idea that never got going now I just use it to wind people up every now and then. I am ecstatic that he's my first blocking. He also got rather pissy with me when I fake reviewed one of his books years ago. What a snowflake
Yossarian
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Even the proposals that Mr. Smoky McTobaccomoney from the Cigarette Defense Institute deems the most outlandish have plenty of precedent in the policies of other countries and recommendations from the United Nations.
news.un.org
Films with on-screen smoking should carry warnings to protect children – UN health agency
Noting that films showing on-screen smoking have enticed millions of young people around the world into tobacco addiction, the United Nations health agency today called for them to be rated and display warnings to save children from subsequent disability and death.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
Same here. No pets too. I'm all for it. Who wants to rent some cigarette infused flat reeking of animals from the previous tenant. No thanks.
Sasaferrato
We've been together now for twenty years...
Thankfully the government seem minded to ignore this:
The Khan review: making smoking obsolete
Independent review by Dr Javed Khan OBE into the government’s ambition to make England smokefree by 2030.www.gov.uk
..because it gets pretty batshit:
Almond Housing (West Lothian) prohibits tenants from smoking in their properties. You commonly see people smoking on the doorstep.
Sasaferrato
We've been together now for twenty years...
Smokers can become ex-smokers. Even after fifty years of smoking, they can stop.
Not stopping is a conscious decision, not an inability to stop.
I'm absolutely neutral on this issue, to be otherwise after smoking for decades would be both sanctimonious and hypocritical.
I would say this though, you really do not know how much your house reeks, until you go into a smoker's house after stopping smoking.
maomao
普費斯
It's not hypocritical to develop as a person or change your mind about an issue.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
The government has moved some/all smoking cessation funding from GPs/ health authorities to councils . This is at the same time as cutting funding to councils . Unsurprisingly, the councils spend some of the money to keep their core services going.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Shame they didn’t suggest no buying cigarettes unless you’ve got up to date vaccine certificates. Opportunity missed
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
As someone who enjoys smoking socially these days (used to be chain smoker for about 15 years, started when I was 14) I just think: replace tobacco with alcohol on this equation and it really seems like a terrible and ludricous idea to ban people from smoking in their own homes. Smoking has been a part of our human rituals since I don't know when and it's never going to stop completely. What needs to be stopped is the tobacco industry and all the carcinogenics added to tobacco.
And I'd have to agree also the advertising and glamorisation of it in movies, etc should be tightly controlled.
Someone I know got fined for dropping a fag butt on the floor - and although an £80 fine seemed extreme - I hope they'll never do it again. Pocket ashtrays are cheap and every smoker should have one. Maybe tobacco companies could give them out free and run an education campaign with a tiny portion of the profits they make.
And I'd have to agree also the advertising and glamorisation of it in movies, etc should be tightly controlled.
Someone I know got fined for dropping a fag butt on the floor - and although an £80 fine seemed extreme - I hope they'll never do it again. Pocket ashtrays are cheap and every smoker should have one. Maybe tobacco companies could give them out free and run an education campaign with a tiny portion of the profits they make.
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srb7677
Well-Known Member
There is something almost immoral about charging people vast sums in taxes by exploiting their addiction. The money used should be used to provide free nicotine gum and patches for anyone wishing to give up. At the moment these often cost more than the pigging cigarettes. Smokers pay billions upon billions in taxes, far more than their additional burden on health services cost. Free help to give up ought to be the least they should be able to expect.
And it is what they would get if it was all about health, but it isn't really. It is about raising money off the backs of people's addictions.
Chemical needs
stirring
I acknowledge that smoking has terrible health impacts, but where do these efforts lead? Prohibition? We know prohibition doesn't work and that it impacts poorest people the most.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
as a long term heavy smoker it's a disgusting habit that should be discouraged at every opportunity
I don't smoke in my social housing because it's a pain to get rid of the stink afterwards
I don't smoke in my social housing because it's a pain to get rid of the stink afterwards
This is perfectly logical - what landlord wants to guarantee they have to wash/paint every surface and replace all soft furnishings ?
Yes - no landlords
You drinking a beer doesn’t stink out your house and give your housemates/family lung cancer.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Neither does smoking occasionally. The exposure has to be regular.
I had to move out of a flat a good while ago due to smoke drift from the downstairs tenant (and when this was happening I discovered others before me had had the same problem). My clothes used to smell like a smokers. We got people in to see what could be done structurally to seal the flats, and they said nothing basically.
The tenant below refused to open any windows, the social landlord offered to pay for extractor fans which they refused, they had a fire as well, and when they die their flat will need complete gutting and redecorating at the social housing providers expense.
I don't like the no smoking tenancies in theory, but I can see why they come about. All the other stuff about age limits etc. I'm well onboard with.
The tenant below refused to open any windows, the social landlord offered to pay for extractor fans which they refused, they had a fire as well, and when they die their flat will need complete gutting and redecorating at the social housing providers expense.
I don't like the no smoking tenancies in theory, but I can see why they come about. All the other stuff about age limits etc. I'm well onboard with.
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Sasaferrato
We've been together now for twenty years...
So those people are completely helpless are they. One is completely unable to stop smoking?
maomao
普費斯
The main source of carcinogens in cigarettes is tobacco.
Yeah, was going to say that. It's some kind of weird smokers urban myth they tell themselves that it's all the chemicals and that tobacco itself is OK.
maomao
普費斯
That's a very rare talent. Giving up smoking took me twenty years and was very difficult. Things that helped me give up finally included it being banned from workplaces and public spaces, constant price rises and the ban on selling packs of ten (every time I started again it was a pack of ten and 'just social smoking').
The link between alcohol and cancer needs better publicising. But I'd rather share a house with a drinker than a smoker.But the sanctimonious language used by anti smokers makes me want to smoke more.Hypocritical as well, because alcohol and dozens of other drugs don't kill people/ruin lives? Meh...
I don’t think there is any factual basis for this statement - all of the advice is “none”
Alex
Sasaferrato
We've been together now for twenty years...
Again, although it is something i do infrequently now, I drank a lot back in the day.
I'm in favour of discouragement, but not bans.
(Smoking cost me a lobe from my right lung, and gave me emphysema, which was reduced my walking speed muchly, I still wouldn't vote for a complete ban. ).
10/10 for shittest argument ever. Maybe some of the people against smoking also think crack and smack aren't very good for you either?
So you'd roll back the bans in all sorts of places in favour of discouragement, or leave them in place and just have no more bans?
Personally I think banning it slowly as has been happening is the right path, and some of the trickier areas (like social housing and public places) will be the last to go and more contentious of course.
The culture around this can change surprisingly quickly, I remember the fuss about pubs, planes, and trains and how some people portrayed it as an savage attack on personal freedom, but now being able to smoke on planes and in pubs looks a bit fucked up to most sensible people.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I couldn't give a fuck if you or anyone else smoke to your heart's content. Just don't do it where it will affect me or any other non smoker.I'm a very occasional smoker. But the sanctimonious language used by anti smokers makes me want to smoke more.
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