The adults are back in the room.
North Shropshire by-election
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The adults are back in the room.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
31% voted for the Corbyn candidate four years ago, and Labour were second in 2019, placing them specifically to be the main not-the-Tories vote. By-elections often don't mean very much, but they can be indicative of ongoing problems, and this has such indications in spades.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
yeh she would.
" "covid" ", masons, and child molestation networks.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I can't be alone in hoping that she'd lunged just a little bit too far....
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
you're not
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
I always get it wrong
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
they wern't by -elections. What it indicates is that died in the wool, life long rural tory voters prefer voting lib dem to labour in a bielection if they are fucked off with the government. Who knew? Next election, tories will win it back and labour vote share will be back near where it was before.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Well done, yes it does partially reflect that. It also indicates that Labour's left vote is in trouble, and that none of Starmers's campaigning is cutting through to less committed Tory/centrist voters. More than one thing can be shown by an event.
not-bono-ever
meh
Controversial I know but electing a member of a party of collaborator scum isn’t going make a shit of difference to a fundamentally rotten system, short, long or whatever term.I hate the LD facilitators with a passion
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
not on the evidence of this byelection. lots of anti-tory voters voted libdem cos they believed - correctly - that that was the best way to kick out the tory. Momentum were telling its member to vote lib dem. Plenty of other electoral evidence of the shitness of kieth - but this isnt it.
is this true? You'd expect to see some party expulsions if so
PTK
Paul Kegan
Yolande Kenward stood as in individual. It is more remarkable when a party gets a handful of votes.
The candidate of the Communist League received seven votes in the 2017 General Election when it stood in Islington North against Jeremy Corbyn.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
thought i saw it on this thread.
PTK
Paul Kegan
There is no evidence for your assertion that Momentum told people to vote for the Liberal Democrat candidate in the North Shropshire by-election.
I think Cupid Stunt misunderstood something in an article he linked to, looking back.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
ah - ok. was a bit surprised myself.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I suspect say that Sir Keir Starmer would rather that there be a Liberal Democrat MP in North Shropshire than a left-wing Labour MP. Which is why he sabotaged Labour's chances by excluding the veteran candidate and imposing a right-winger.
prunus
Tick tock.
I mean, really, this just isn’t true. Most of my family and most of my friends are Labour Party members (as am I), and every single one of them hates the tories much much much more than they hate the Lib Dems, and would obviously, because it’s fucking obvious, vote Lib Dem tactically to oust a Tory if required. I’ve done it myself.
Anybody who thinks of themselves as labour and hates the Lib Dems more than they hate the tories really ought to take a long hard look at their thought processes and motivations.
Worked out great in 2010 that
prunus
Tick tock.
No it didn't work out ideally. Would your contention be that it would have been better if some of those LibDem MPs had in fact been tories, meaning that they wouldn't even have had to make a coalition? I don't see that myself.
2010 didn't work out because there were not enough labour MPs, not because some tories were tactically supplanted by LibDems.
Most of the elections of the past 50 years haven't worked out well from my point of view. Doesn't mean that the primary aim at all times isn't TO NOT HAVE TORIES IN POWER. By whatever means necessary.
But the only time in living memory that voting tactically for the lib dems made a difference to who was in power, they supported the tories, and they were enthusiastic participants in the coalition government to the point where it's difficult to imagine a tory majority government being any worse. So fuck that, and fuck them.
prunus
Tick tock.
Yeah, and I’m not your real dad anyway
Seriously though, yes, that was a bitter disapppointment. But one shouldn’t let one’s emotional reaction to that disappointment cause one to lose sight of the primary aim - defeating each and every Tory candidate in whatever way is feasible in whatever constituency one has the vote.
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It wasn't a disappointment to me, it was exactly what I expected. That's why I'll never vote lib dem tactically.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Austerity was unnecessary. Austerity is a neo-liberal response to the Great Recession. The Liberal Democrats were fully committed to Austerity. This is why they approved cutting the income of the poorest people in our society, those dependent upon social security benefits. They could have said “no”. Cameron was not going to refuse to go into coalition if the Lib Dems would not let him cut benefits.Yeah, and I’m not your read dad anyway
Seriously though, yes, that was a bitter disapppointment. But one shouldn’t let one’s emotional reaction to that disappointment cause one to lose sight of the primary aim - defeating each and every Tory candidate in whatever way is feasible in whatever constituency one has the vote.
ruffneck23
front left
what would you do, if the last time you voted labour , like I did and they only got 3000 odd votes and the only other option to oust the cunts was the lib dems?
This is why it's all fucked.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
The Lib Dems are an ineradicable faecal smear on the worn porcelain of British electoral politics.
Their victory in North Shropshire was welcome only for the point-and-laugh opportunity it afforded, and the discomfort caused to the blustercunt.
A genuinely loathsome farrago of besandalled oddballs, mediocre local government functionaries, "muscular Christians", shy Tories and self-serving liars, whose cosying up to the Tories enabled the shit politics of the last decade.
Fuck 'em.
Their victory in North Shropshire was welcome only for the point-and-laugh opportunity it afforded, and the discomfort caused to the blustercunt.
A genuinely loathsome farrago of besandalled oddballs, mediocre local government functionaries, "muscular Christians", shy Tories and self-serving liars, whose cosying up to the Tories enabled the shit politics of the last decade.
Fuck 'em.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
No surprise to me either. Those of us paying attention had seen them form various coalitions with the Tories in local government, sometimes ‘rainbow coalitions‘ with the complicity of the greens too. They did that in Leeds and fucked over the refuse workers and flogged off the airport, which people piss and moan about now because they have to pay a stupid amount to the new private owners just to drop people off.
I can accept giving an incumbent tosser a bloody nose is quite satisfying just for the shit it stirs up like in this case, but don’t think I could put a cross in their box for that alone.
