Sorry to lose it a tad there folks 
Ministers target July 4th for reopening of England’s pubs and restaurants
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i did. he answered in post 440 and i commented in post 441.
editor
hiraethified
Plus their bars are often monocultural bland-fests of cod-edginess and faux punkness.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's lockdown. you'd be banned if you didn't lose it now and again.Sorry to lose it a tad there folks
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Which ones?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'm sure you've seen the lengthy litany of posts about their use of punk to sell their beer, the over-hoppedness and so forth. editor has been particularly exercised about them for a long time now.
editor
hiraethified
I'm going to do my best to persuade people to drink in smaller/independent bars although sometimes logistics and location means that a chain bar becomes the only option.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
get some carry-outs and go to the park
the bar still gets your business and you don't have to worry about distancing
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yes but the criticism of BD on that thread is mostly agenda driven nonsense based on certain people’s prejudices. Badgers is usually more sensible than that so I’m interested in the business practices of Brewdog that he’s referring to.
The only Spoons employees we properly knew were managers.
(In one case, a good while back, a cellar manager
)
Even the managers were highly critical of Tim Martin and Spoons employment practices generally, they hated not being able to hire more staff, and hated being unable (because of company policy) to pay them better.
In other words those people were sound, but despite the impression some shitstirrers have on here, I've never been a fan of any aspect of Wetherspoons ..... except for the fact that sometimes, in real beer desert areas
, they can be a very rare source of a decent pint.
Plus also, don't forget that in a mega-recession as imminent
, some drinkers (not us) will be pretty skint, as will their friends.
Still, as I said -- Spoons boycott will be happening from us ...........
(In one case, a good while back, a cellar manager
)Even the managers were highly critical of Tim Martin and Spoons employment practices generally, they hated not being able to hire more staff, and hated being unable (because of company policy) to pay them better.
In other words those people were sound, but despite the impression some shitstirrers have on here, I've never been a fan of any aspect of Wetherspoons ..... except for the fact that sometimes, in real beer desert areas
, they can be a very rare source of a decent pint. Plus also, don't forget that in a mega-recession as imminent
, some drinkers (not us) will be pretty skint, as will their friends.Still, as I said -- Spoons boycott will be happening from us ...........
You serious?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. That's my position wrt things like Wetherspoons. I've never drunk in a Brewdog so can't comment on that. wrt Spoons, I will still go there on occasion because the group I am with will be going there, and in certain circumstances it is by far the cheapest option, so it's not reasonable to ask people to go elsewhere.
Stealing other peoples marketing ideas
Accusations of homophobia in their marketing
Marketing photos of their owners on thrones holding women on dog leashes in underwear
That sort of hipster thing to get you started?
editor
hiraethified
Then there's their bullying of tiny little businesses over ridiculous trademark claims and their sexist 'bantz'.
This btw was them asking marketing interviewees or agencies to pitch ideas then using them as their own ^
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Plastic Paddy
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
In our town all the pubs are independent except the Spoons. We drink in them all, especially the Richmond where we are considered locals. We will drink in the Spoons if out with someone who’s a bit skint, and although we are vowing to not use the Spoons again it’s a bit shitty to insist that we have a sesh in a place that charges £5.20 a pint vs. £3.00 if they are a bit hard up, so probably will continue as before.
“Urban75 comes out against corporate espionage”!
That can't be right? I mean a bit about being independents. If your town is big enough to have a spoons it must have pubs owned buy Punch, Enterprise, Spirit etc. There really aren't that many genuinely independent pubs out there.
Avoiding Punch Taverns and Enterprise Inns is thankfully not too difficult in many places, because they tend to be poor pubs with indifferent beer choices and largely overpriced as well.
We know from those in the know that their managers/tenants are almost always treated shockingly also
TBF to people who go to them though, it's very often hard to recognise them .......
Except when the 'tenancy' is up 'for let' yet again 
they tend to use either themselves or certain particular 'letting' agents to advertise the 'lease' on the boards.
But not always, because that depends where you are!
Most of us CAMRA lot really dislike certain 'pubcos' -- and the worst two must be Enterprise and Punch.
They're definitely no better than Spoons, and in certain ways, worse -- and not just because of beer either
We know from those in the know
that their managers/tenants are almost always treated shockingly also TBF to people who go to them though, it's very often hard to recognise them .......
Except when the 'tenancy' is up 'for let' yet again
they tend to use either themselves or certain particular 'letting' agents to advertise the 'lease' on the boards.But not always, because that depends where you are!
Most of us CAMRA lot really dislike certain 'pubcos' -- and the worst two must be Enterprise and Punch.
They're definitely no better than Spoons, and in certain ways, worse -- and not just because of beer either
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yeah, one is Green King (Camera cider pub of the year Surrey and Hants forever) and one Q Bar owned, one owned by Badgers
, the others are owned by the landlord/landlady. By independent I was more that they are not like a chain pub such as Spoons, Slug, All Bar One and so on, they are all lived in and unique in appearance and character, with decent beer and more importantly decent lager, so run as independent booozers.
editor
hiraethified
It's increasingly hard to completely avoid big chains and corporates these days as they've becoming increasingly capable at pretending to be independents (e.g. Brixton Brewery - 49% owned by Heineken).Yeah, one is Green King (Camera cider pub of the year Surrey and Hants forever) and one Q Bar owned, one owned by Badgers
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
For sure. But as with the concern over foreign ownership of British businesses I am not too fussed if it is the titular head that’s not the local, so long as they are just investing/sloshing their cash around. If the pub is run and managed at the local level that works for me. Guess am getting old as prefer my pubs to look like the Rovers Return these days, was never too sure who owned that place either, Newton & Ridley??
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah. Some Fullers pubs are pretty good. They're run on the old brewer–landlord tied model afaik.Yeah, one is Green King (Camera cider pub of the year Surrey and Hants forever) and one Q Bar owned, one owned by Badgers
tbh though, in terms of places treating their staff like shit, the independents can be among the worst of the lot. It's impossible to judge just from going in there.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
It's is hard to know. The one we are regulars at we know the staff and have a smoke of weed with them, so we know that they are treated well, have all been there years too. But of the others it is hard to know, especially the Camra cider place which never seems to have the same staff on from one week to the next...
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We have a lot of McMullen & Sons pubs round this way.
Mostly seem well run and have good staff retention.
I know one of the landlords fairly well and said the brewery have looked after him and the staff well of late.
They are worried about opening in July
Mostly seem well run and have good staff retention.
I know one of the landlords fairly well and said the brewery have looked after him and the staff well of late.
They are worried about opening in July
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It really is a bit of a lottery as far as employee treatment is concerned. Funnily enough, Brewdog are rated as one of the best employers in the industry with decent pay rates, an excellent employer matched pension scheme, holidays and training, whilst Weatherspoons is widely regarded to be one of the worst employers on the planet in any industry. Independants of course can be anywhere on the scale.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
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