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Israel in coordinated missile attacks on Gaza

Johnny Canuck2 said:
Well, I'd agree, and I suspect that others might too. I know for a fact that there are people here who have taken steps in the past, to try to counteract racism in various forms and places.
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Like many of my generation, I first got involved in politics through the anti-Nazi league. The first political principle I ever learned was zero tolerance for morons like this piece of dogturd:

GarfieldLeChat said:
maybe we should just reffer to you as that ill educated stupid canuck nigger from now on
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Ban the fucker, please.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
try reading context again



here you go explaining it to you might help...

actually fuck it i really couldn't give two fucks if you understand the context or not of the orginal post it upset you then good perhpahs infuture you can recall that upset and factor it in to your continued racist bullshit but i frankly doubt you are capable.

not cos of skin tone cos of a lumpen mentalitiy and of course your stated aim...

I know dwyers just pissy becuase he started froathing and has beens hown up to be ana arse so his usual 1 trick pony retaliation is to follow someone round the boards...

either way nicely done at attempting once againt to divert the thread away from it's subject matter and on to you.

doesn't you attention seeking get old or are you really that shallow....
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I'm not actually going to bother reading your post. First off, as you've advised me, I'm too moronic to decipher the regional jargon spelling or whatever it is that you seem to like to use.

Second................let me put it this way: you and me aren't friends anymore, Garfield. :D
 
phildwyer said:
Like many of my generation, I first got involved in politics through the anti-Nazi league. The first political principle I ever learned was zero tolerance for morons like this piece of dogturd:



Ban the fucker, please.
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intresting use of dehaumiseang rehtoric to therefore remove all context...

that's the preserve of which group again dwyer...


do fuck off now you child and learn to read context...
fuck me you'r ethick even with the context explained above your post you still can't understand it...

do we have a creche thread for dwyer please....
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
try reading context again
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Fuck off Garfield. If you think it is anything even approaching acceptable to use that word in reference to a black man you're even more of a fucking dunce than I thought.

An abject apology is the only thing that will save your sorry ass. And even that wouldn't alter my opinion of you. You're a racist shithead. Fuck off.
 
Zachor said:
As I've previously stated I am tnot in favour of killing civilians. However Hamas and its support structure are legitimate targets.to
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No, they arent. International law is quite clear - you cannot go after civilian targets / supporters / police stations in the way that the IDF has been. Targets do not become "legitimate" just because the IDF deems them so.

zachor said:
I'm the very first to say (check my threads if you disagree) to say that the Palestinians a) deserve to be compensated financially for the events at the recreation of the state of Israel and b) that I would accept a withdrawal from the West Bank if this was a cause of long term peace.
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How good of you to offer peace on your terms. One wonders whether the Palestinians would accept money to fuck off, I rather think not.

zachor said:
I am vehemently opposed to Hamas as i am opposed to all fascists. Fascism doesn't always come in lederhosen and smart uniforms, fascism can also come in the form of a religious movement such as Islamism.
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Thats as close as you could have come to saying islamofascism, that delightful staple of the neocons that attempted to conflate one very serious problem with their own, rather less serious, "problem". I also note the "death cult" staple below.

Zachor said:
I hope that 'land for peace' would lead to a lasting reduction in animosity between Palestinians and Israelis but the more I read about Islamism the more I see it for what it is which is a fascist idelogy which wants nothing less than a second Shoah. Its not Israel the state which is the problem it is the People Israel, the Jewish people who are the main target of their hatred and agression.
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Is it any wonder that loons such as Hamas get in (though I rather think their loonage is overstated by the likes of you) when all the moderate opinion, all the non-violent resistance, all the diplomatic side of things is told to fuck off by the Israelis? "WTF? We keep them in prison for sixty years, steal their land, blow up their leaders and they are electing people who profess to not like us? Bastards.".

Zachor said:
Its been centuries since we had full scale religious war in the UK and quite frankly we've forgotten as a nation what it is like although to think of the NI Troubles and multiplying the effects and the hatred by a factor of 100 may give you some Idea.
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Ah yes, we really dont know what we are talking about, we should bow to your greater understanding in order to comprehend why the regions most heavily armed state bombing the prison they constructed for the same people they dispossessed is a good thing.

Zachor said:
I'm mortally disappointed to see people on the Left who were always enemies of antisemitism standing shoulder to shoulder with right wing fascist Islamists, who desire either the submission of Jews to Islamist rule as second class 'Dhimmi' sub citizens or the outright destruction of Jews. The is because of a misguided view that Hamas are some sort of 'liberation movement' for the Palestinians they are not. Hamas are no more liberators of Palestinians than the Nazis were liberators of the Germans. This misguided idea that supporting fascists such as Hamas and similar groups is being progressive or bringing freedom must be challenged. Its a false premise.
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Again, few people if any here are supporting Hamas - far more people are opposing the Israeli action for various, entirely justifiable, reasons. This kind of Zionism-or-nothing, therefore any action is justified, is, ironically enough, far more likely to lead to a second Shoah than anything else is.

Zachor said:
As I've said before I and nor are many Israelis who I've talked to who are closer to the situaiton than I am geographically support the idea of indiscriminate killing of civilians but sometimes civilians get killed in wartime. When you factor in that Israel is fighting a death cult which thinks nothing of putting its own civilians in harms way the number of civilians killed is considerably less than say for example the Russian attacks on Grozny. If people want to campaign against disproportionate responses they should turn their attention to the govt in Moscow not the one in Jerursalem.
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"The Israeli actions arent evil, and anyway there is someone who is more evil than us."

Zachor said:
During the war against German fascism civilians from Germany, the Netherlands, France etc etc all suffered from bombing which was aimed in the main at the military infrastructure of the German aggressor. It is a similar situation in Gaza. Civilians are being hit as part of a war against fascism that is unfortunate but better than letting the fascists of Hamas et al win.
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A nonsensical comparison. The Nazis were a military superpower that was able to conquer most of geographical Europe and seriously fight the rest of the world for three years. Hamas are able to fire single rockets into Israel, no less than 6000, of which about 18 people have died.

Zachor said:
Some of my family marched with the Communists and Jews at Cable Street to confront fascists and that is why I'm marching against Hamas and for peace tomorrow.
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Good for you.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
intresting use of dehaumiseang rehtoric to therefore remove all context...

that's the preserve of which group again dwyer...


do fuck off now you child and learn to read context...
fuck me you'r ethick even with the context explained above your post you still can't understand it...

do we have a creche thread for dwyer please....
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Isn't today the Day of Rage? Shouldn't you be getting ready? Seems like a place that you'd certainly belong.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I'm not actually going to bother reading your post. First off, as you've advised me, I'm too moronic to decipher the regional jargon spelling or whatever it is that you seem to like to use.

Second................let me put it this way: you and me aren't friends anymore, Garfield. :D
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you seem to be under the impression we were ever freinds after you stated racist aims incoming to this board i can assure you that any such suggestion is tantamount to a personal attack, as well as being a pack of lies.

I tollerated you occasionally but over my time and yours here i have never found to you to be anything other than utterly without merit...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
you seem to be under the impression we were ever freinds after you stated racist aims incoming to this board i can assure you that any such suggestion is tantamount to a personal attack, as well as being a pack of lies.

I tollerated you occasionally but over my time and yours here i have never found to you to be anything other than utterly without merit...
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can we please shut the fuck up about this spat? it is allowing JC2 to continue his trolling.
 
phildwyer said:
Fuck off Garfield. If you think it is anything even approaching acceptable to use that word in reference to a black man you're even more of a fucking dunce than I thought.

An abject apology is the only thing that will save your sorry ass. And even that wouldn't alter my opinion of you. You're a racist shithead. Fuck off.
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too thick to bother with dwyer by far...

so what you are saying is there can never be discussion of racism with black men...

intresting POV do go on explain how that can be true...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
you seem to be under the impression we were ever freinds after you stated racist aims incoming to this board i can assure you that any such suggestion is tantamount to a personal attack, as well as being a pack of lies.

I tollerated you occasionally but over my time and yours here i have never found to you to be anything other than utterly without merit...
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Absolutely right: we never were friends. I guess I was expecting too much, if I thought you might catch the gist of what I was getting at with that paragraph.

Would you like me to try re-spelling it in your jargon, and see if that helps?
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
I tollerated you occasionally but over my time and yours here i have never found to you to be anything other than utterly without merit...
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Oh no! The racist fucking cunt who wrote this:

GarfieldLeChat said:
maybe we should just reffer to you as that ill educated stupid canuck nigger from now on
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Finds your views to be without merit! Wottle you do now?

Garfield, you utter scumbag, what made you think you'd get away with it?
 
phildwyer said:
Oh dearie me, the racist filth who likes to post stuff like this to public message boards:



Is getting upset is he? Well what a shame that is. Time for you to go, fucker.
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on topic or not at all...

I'm not going to respond to you again dwyer you can spam the boards to your hearts content you have zero value in this debate or indeed on the boards and it wastes my time and derails the thread to continue responding to someone like you.

laters troll boy...
 
laptop said:
There will be no state of Israel in 50 years. Or 30. Or, let us hope, 10.
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there will be one as long as the US/Uk has a need for a destabilising force in the Middles east .. IF we stopped using mid east oil etc the US money flow into israel would stop overnight ..
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
see I'm not sure what good that will do either.

2 states is the worst of all worlds 1 state isn't much better though although it would finally see equality for palestinians as well as Isrealis however at what cost?

we lose both palestine and isreal and their cultures as it becomes another gestualt entity called palesrael or isrealistine and the cultures are then lost forever.

I know the resulting state would be in everyway better than what is the status quo, but it then kind of puts the matter to bed in a way which isn't healthy.
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the potential of a one state is way more healthy! and don't forget israeli culture only existed with the ( on top of the nazis) destruction of yiddish culture
 
durruti02 said:
there will be one as long as the US/Uk has a need for a destabilising force in the Middles east .. IF we stopped using mid east oil etc the US money flow into israel would stop overnight ..
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Thats very wrong IMHO. The support for Israel is not because the West needs a destabilizing force in the ME, its because of (mainly) US domestic politics, for which they are willing to accept the immense destabilization (and cost) that Israel causes.
 
no i disagree .. read up on the support for israel amongst teh texans / oil etc and the southern churches .. the bastionof zionism in the US ios no longer the sterotypical jewish new yorker but the south .. IF there was no mid east oil there would be NO israel .. for right or wrong
 
If we could convince all the US christians that Israel not-equals Judaism, that would help.

I know it took me a while to get there.
 
durruti02 said:
no i disagree .. read up on the support for israel amongst teh texans / oil etc and the southern churches .. the bastionof zionism in the US ios no longer the sterotypical jewish new yorker but the south .. IF there was no mid east oil there would be NO israel .. for right or wrong
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Thats far more because of the success in encouraging end-times christian groups to support Israel than it is because of economic reasons.
 
As I hinted above, it is not just end-times, in the evangelical church there is (correctly) a general sympathy towards jewish people.
 
No, it is not entirely new, and it is not just in the US, and it is certainly not all about oil.
 
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