How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[Pickman's model]

Did her snarling visage appear in the clouds afterwards before dispersing - like in the old fu man chu movies?

there was a slight smell of hydrogen sulphide, stale urine and whisky which disappeared as the mourners dispersed

 

[ibilly99]

As Hencke says on his blog....

There is a comment below the article by a Tim Tate which refutes the thrust of Exaro's story and accuses them of over-egging the pudding.

 

[Lurdan]

There is a comment below the article by a Tim Tate which refutes the thrust of Exaro's story and accuses them of over-egging the pudding.

A concept he is quite familiar with as the author of the 1991 pro-SRA book "Children for the Devil"

The ritualistic abuse of children in satanic ceremonies is increasingly coming to light as children in the UK, USA and Europe disclose identical experiences involving torture, cannibalism, animal sacrifice, live burial, murder and the use of drugs snakes and insects in sexual abuse.

 

[elbows]

There is a comment below the article by a Tim Tate which refutes the thrust of Exaro's story and accuses them of over-egging the pudding.

Because Tim Tate is one of the writers for a related customs story in the Telegraph. He may be confusing what he learnt when writing that story with a completely different customers officer and event, or he might be right, impossible for me to judge with the info currently available.

 

[Blagsta]

Did her snarling visage appear in the clouds afterwards before dispersing - like in the old fu man chu movies?

http://sleafordmods.bandcamp.com/track/liveable-shit

 

[Wilf]

More revelations in the Sunday Mirror ....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-rent-boy-i-abused-3885690

If you take it from that that he was abused in Feb 75 (by 2 Tories 'celebrating' a year in Parliament') a shortlist forms up. They are presumably still living, given that he names the dead party attendees.

I've been hunting to find a full list of tory new mps for Feb 74 (possibly also oct 74 election, but the specific mention of February in the piece looks like an intentional clue). Can't find one yet, but I've seen a couple of sites that talk about notable new MPs for feb 74 - which include some rather predictable names.

 

[Sprocket.]

no. thatcher was cremated.

Which I thought unusual because she always made out that this lady's not for burning, I think she said? My hearing was always a bit selective whenever she was spouting on, horror that she was!

 

[elbows]

Colin Wallace and Kincora getting some more BBC news coverage:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28390411

"I know that some officers from the security services in Northern Ireland did know and actually reprimanded intelligence officers from raising the matter and also told them they were to desist from any further investigation," he told the BBC's Sunday Sequence programme.

Mr Wallace said two previous inquiries which looked at Kincora - the Terry Inquiry and the Hughes Inquiry - did not examine evidence relating to the intelligence services.

"My evidence, and the evidence of other people, was ruled out, because those inquiries quite clearly, and indeed, we know now specifically and deliberately, ruled out the role of the intelligence services," he said.

"The evidence that I was willing to give to previous inquiries, from the Official Secrets point of view I couldn't do that because that was not within the terms of those inquiries.

"If there is going to be any way of moving this forward, the government - and David Cameron has said no stone will be unturned - must make sure that any information, held anywhere by any agency will be made available.

"But of course the problem is, I know from my own personal experience, that those files have long since disappeared."

 

[Pickman's model]

Which I thought unusual because she always made out that this lady's not for burning, I think she said? My hearing was always a bit selective whenever she was spouting on, horror that she was!

sadly she left the burning till after she was dead

conservative paedophiles being burnt at the stake: an artist's impression

 

[brogdale]

The son of a former Conservative MP has told The Telegraph he believes his father was a “prolific sexual predator” who he fears might have been linked to an alleged Westminster paedophile ring.

Anthony Atkinson suspects his father David Atkinson’s name may also have been included in a notorious dossier compiled by his fellow Conservative MP Geoffrey Dickens. The dossier, handed to the then Home Secretary Leon Brittan in the 1980s, has subsequently been lost or destroyed.

Here.

 

[free spirit]

If you take it from that that he was abused in Feb 75 (by 2 Tories 'celebrating' a year in Parliament') a shortlist forms up. They are presumably still living, given that he names the dead party attendees.

I've been hunting to find a full list of tory new mps for Feb 74 (possibly also oct 74 election, but the specific mention of February in the piece looks like an intentional clue). Can't find one yet, but I've seen a couple of sites that talk about notable new MPs for feb 74 - which include some rather predictable names.

the ones at the top of this wikipedia list?

 

[Wilf]

the ones at the top of this wikipedia list?

That link doesn't go to a Wikipedia list.

 

[Fez909]

the ones at the top of this wikipedia list?

Your link is wrong.

 

[free spirit]

That link doesn't go to a Wikipedia list.

sorry, fixed it now.

 

[elbows]

Here.

The Daily Mail had something on this the other day, but was mostly focussing on how his wife feels about his gay affairs, rather than anything more sinister:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-Tory-MP-husband-Susans-world-collapsed.html

 

[Wilf]

sorry, fixed it now.

edit. sorry,, it is working.

 

[fishfinger]

Nope!

Yes it is.

 

[Wilf]

the ones at the top of this wikipedia list?

Yeah, I got to that mini list, but I was after the full list of Tory newcomers. Apparently that election saw a lot of new mps.

 

[brogdale]

The Daily Mail had something on this the other day, but was mostly focussing on how his wife feels about his gay affairs, rather than anything more sinister:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-Tory-MP-husband-Susans-world-collapsed.html

Yeah, but the torygraph piece has the 'p' word liberally sprinkled around...and his son says...

“In the research work that I have done... it is clear that my father was associated with some very dangerous people.”

 

[free spirit]

Yeah, I got to that mini list, but I was after the full list of Tory newcomers. Apparently that election saw a lot of new mps.

if anyone has the time, that wiki list of MPs has links to each of the MPs wiki pages, so would be a relatively simple matter to go through and list all the new Tory MPs.

Only 14 labour MPs were unseated, so it might not be that long a list.

 

[free spirit]

although, given the no naming rules of the thread / boards that might be a slightly futile effort.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Only 14 labour MPs were unseated, so it might not be that long a list.

yes, but there would also have been some new tory MPs in previously tory seats, as a result of previous MPs retiring / not standing again for whatever reason

 

[free spirit]

yes, but there would also have been some new tory MPs in previously tory seats, as a result of previous MPs retiring / not standing again for whatever reason

around 70MPs in total, so maybe 30 or so tories?

The figures below set out how many MPs have retired at each election since the war:

 

[DotCommunist]

hah, look at the '97 spike.

 

[mystic pyjamas]

I know this is a stupid question but how do we know the guy from Australia is genuine?

 

[laptop]

although, given the no naming rules of the thread / boards that might be a slightly futile effort.

Remember, the rule of thumb is that identifying someone to the "resolution" of a football team is sufficient for defamation.

In other words:

• "There is an English footballer who is a rapist" - not libel
• "A member of the Imaginary Town Disunited team is a rapist" - likely to give all of them cause for libel action
• "One of the forwards of the Imaginary Town Disunited team is a rapist" - definitely gives all of them cause for libel action
• "The goalkeeper of the Imaginary Town Disunited team is a rapist" - is libel, if he isn't, open-and-shut case

 

[laptop]

Phew.

No results found for "Imaginary Town Disunited ".

 

[elbows]

rhodes boyson and kieth joseph again. With peter morrison as well it seems thatcher had a gobsmacking number of proven and strongly alleged child rapists within her inner circle. Plus regular visits from saville and some of the other names doing the rounds. Very nasty smell coming from the Thatcher government. Surprised the mail are running with it.

The mirror had a little more detail on what was said about Boyson in the Barbara Castle dossier.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/two-tory-ministers-were-named-3885736

Two senior ministers in the Thatcher government exposed by the Sunday Mirror last week for indulging in sex parties with underage rent boys were named in a damning paedophile dossier compiled in the 1980s.

Sir Keith Joseph and Sir Rhodes Boyson were cited in the “VIP” paedophile document drawn up by Labour’s Barbara Castle. Other MPs, senior policemen, head teachers and clergy were also named.

Boyson was described in it as secretly involved with the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) group which campaigned to legalise sex with children.

The dossier contained details of how the one-time Under Secretary for Education raised funds and drove promotions for PIE.

It was also claimed he arranged for members to meet influential education figures and even distributed their magazine MagPIE.

Joseph, tipped as a future Tory PM and later made a peer, also featured in Baroness Castle’s dossier several times.

Oh and:

At least two alleged witnesses have also named former Tory MP Proctor, 67, as being at parties in statements for the inquiry.

He was exposed in 1986 for arranging sordid spanking sessions with young men and was found to be leading a double life and living with an 18-year-old male prostitute at a time when the legal age of consent was 21.

A court later heard how the pair had a bust-up when the relationship ended.

A source close to the inquiry told the Sunday Mirror: “Proctor’s name has repeatedly been mentioned by at least two alleged victims. He is going to be of key interest.”

Approached for comment last week, Proctor, former MP for Basildon and Billericay, said he was unable to comment because of a gagging agreement he claims to have signed years ago.

 

[bluescreen]

The mirror had a little more detail on what was said about Boyson in the Barbara Castle dossier.
Approached for comment last week, Proctor, former MP for Basildon and Billericay, said he was unable to comment because of a gagging agreement he claims to have signed years ago.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/two-tory-ministers-were-named-3885736

BIB. I would understand if he'd been unwilling to comment. Full stop. If there's likely to be a police investigation, he's not going to want to prejudice his position - that's common sense. Otherwise, he's entitled to a private life. But a gagging agreement? With whom, by whose authority, and how enforceable? And what benefit is it to him to make this claim? This is the sort of thing that drives conspiracy theories.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I see Harvey Proctor gets a mention in the Mirror story. I seem to recall an exposure about him using House of Commons meeting rooms for some sort of neo-nazi event, there was a photograph of Harvey along with assorted knuckle-draggers from e.g. League of St George, C88 and (if I recall right) a surprising amount of hyper-masculine teutonic leatherwear on display. It was story (in Private Eye at a guess) that was around long before he became famous for being into S&M with underage males (which happened 1986 or so)

Apparently openly hanging around with assorted neo-nazis was no bar to a successful career in Thatcher's Tory party either (especially if like Proctor you were secretary of the Monday Club Northern Ireland policy committee and also chair of the Monday Club Immigration and Repatriation committee, where it was perhaps a job requirement)

Anyone got a decent link to the Proctor / neo-nazi stuff?