Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[two sheds]

How does it prove that he's not antisemitic?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

See they're equating support for the Israeli state with support for London's Jewish community.

Some of whom were on the march...

 

[tim]

Apologies if we've already had this, but a quick fact check on the baby-beheading claims, including Biden being caught out in a blatant lie, saying he'd seen the videos. It's not true, so let's not repeat it?

By this point everything on this thread has been reposted.

However, do you think that murdering a child or any other human without beheading them is less wicked than murdering them by beheading them, or as a compromise beheading them postmortem?

And what is your opinion Comrade phildwyer?

To me it makes no difference it makes no difference whether you murder with a sword, gun or missile? It also makes no difference whether the murderers are Israeli, Palestinian or British or whether the victims are Palestinians, Israelis or Afghans. We shouldn't forget that the British Army is still as capable of murdering civilians as the IDF and Hamas.

Inquiry to open into claims British soldiers summarily killed 80 Afghans

 

[Gramsci]

See they're equating support for the Israeli state with support for London's Jewish community.

I turned to the pages and nothing from anyone who has a middle Eastern background or Palestinian background.

That's the ES for you. London is more than two cities.On issue like this it's going to be divided. ES could give other opinions a say.

So far I haven't seen the majority of London political class or it's mainstream media (theES) do more than say Stand by Israel and put Israeli flag on buildings

I don't feel a lot of Londoners views are getting a say

 

[phildwyer]

And what is your opinion Comrade phildwyer?

My opinion is that planting false atrocity stories in the press is designed to dehumanize the enemy and prepare us to accept their mass slaughter by the IDF.

 

[JimW]

My opinion is that planting false atrocity stories in the press is designed to dehumanize the enemy and prepare us to accept their mass slaughter by the IDF.

They did murder babies though. Even with the cynical manipulators looking to further exploit that, the basic fact remains that a horror was committed. Quibbling over the exact degree of atrocity when the act has already ceded the ground.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

By this point everything on this thread has been reposted.

However, do you think that murdering a child or any other human without beheading them is less wicked than murdering them by beheading them, or as a compromise beheading them postmortem?

And what is your opinion Comrade phildwyer?

To me it makes no difference it makes no difference whether you murder with a sword, gun or missile? It also makes no difference whether the murderers are Israeli, Palestinian or British or whether the victims are Palestinians, Israelis or Afghans. We shouldn't forget that the British Army is still as capable of murdering civilians as the IDF and Hamas.

Inquiry to open into claims British soldiers summarily killed 80 Afghans

When the Israeli president is blaming Palestinians for failing to overthrow the evil Hamas, lies spread about Hamas are important to debunk. To imply that debunking lies is some kind of apologism for Hamas is shit, frankly.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think there are a few MPs who would. Zara Sultana for one. I don't think the demo had any MPs except for Corbyn. They have all been warned off by Starmer.

Not just demo last Saturday but making any comments on social media.

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And London paper Evening Standard has front page making out that there isn't enough public support for Israel in London. Unlike support for Palestinians. Like that's a problem.View attachment 395763

The mail has made much of some tel aviv phd student putting posters of the hostages up round mornington crescent at the end of last week,and them being taken down. There's been quite a big of public zionist activity, for the standard to suggest otherwise is a bit bollocks

 

[Rimbaud]

Oh alright, he attacks the vulture capitalist Paul Singer, explaining what he does and why he is evil. I've never seen anything else like it on the MSM. It's not just that it's coming from what used to be called the "Left," it also explains why he's being slandered, fired, demonized and so on.

Paul Singer happens to be Jewish and funds LGBT rights campaigns. Pretty sure there is a reason why Tucker Carlson singles him out and it isn't left wing politics.

He is a Nazi. That's why he is critical of Israel and (Jewish) finance capitalists while having far right views. Not because he is a radical leftist. Jfc.

 

[andysays]

The mail has made much of some tel aviv phd student putting posters of the hostages up round mornington crescent at the end of last week,and them being taken down. There's been quite a big of public zionist activity, for the standard to suggest otherwise is a bit bollocks

I saw that happening in Stamford Hill on Friday afternoon as well.

 

[Mezzer]

For whatever reason, they refuse to publicly criticise Israel. It's a decision - we don't criticise Israel - and one that they've been performing intellectual summersaults to maintain. Starmer, etc, have made themselves look like idiots, but they are clearly prepared to come across as idiots rather than attempt public restraint on Israel.

Al-Jazeera made a list yesterday of the countries that have criticised Israel's attacks on Gaza. The absence of European voices from that list is striking - only Ireland and Norway.

Which countries have criticised Israeli attacks on Gaza?

That's incredibly depressing. I really do wish that in the opening paragraph though, Al Jezeera hadn't referred to the Hamas bloodbath as simply a 'surprise attack'. It's very much downplaying the narrative and that feeds into this disparity, as what western govt would align themselves with it?

 

[PR1Berske]

All I'm saying is watch the clip. It will change your opinion.

Tucker Carlson is a Trumpian mouthpiece of the worst kind. Of course nobody on Urban is going to give him a listen let alone allow him to change their minds.

There's a policy on Wikipedia called "drop the stick". I suggest you do.

 

[two sheds]

Paul Singer happens to be Jewish and funds LGBT rights campaigns. Pretty sure there is a reason why Tucker Carlson singles him out and it isn't left wing politics.

He is a Nazi. That's why he is critical of Israel and (Jewish) finance capitalists while having far right views. Not because he is a radical leftist. Jfc.

I nearly suggested Carlson might have another motive for the story but didn't want to go all conspiracy theory Thank you.

 

[phildwyer]

He is a Nazi.

Blimey, it usually takes at least an hour to get here. Motus in finis velocior it would seem.

 

[Rimbaud]

Blimey, it usually takes at least an hour to get here. Motus in finis velocior it would seem.

A white supremacist with a thinly veiled fixation on Jewish conspiracies is a Nazi in my book.

 

[Pickman's model]

Tucker Carlson is a Trumpian mouthpiece of the worst kind. Of course nobody on Urban is going to give him a listen let alone allow him to change their minds.

There's a policy on Wikipedia called "drop the stick". I suggest you do.

Our policy involves shovels and dwyer has shown he's good at digging

 

[tim]

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I turned to the pages and nothing from anyone who has a middle Eastern background or Palestinian background.

That's the ES for you. London is more than two cities.On issue like this it's going to be divided. ES could give other opinions a say.

So far I haven't seen the majority of London political class or it's mainstream media (theES) do more than say Stand by Israel and put Israeli flag on buildings

I don't feel a lot of Londoners views are getting a say

You have absurd expectations of a newspaper whose majority owners are a father and son team of Russian oligarchs one of whom was also once a KGB officer and of which the murderous Saudi Regime also owns 30%.


Saudi state part-owns Evening Standard and Independent, court told

 

[Brayfart]

I saw that happening in Stamford Hill on Friday afternoon as well.

I thought the Stamford Hill community were largely anti-zionist and a lot of them belong to a sect that believes the Jews shouldn't have their own country till the messiah comes (which'll be a fucking long time I reckon). I may be talking out my arse though.

 

[Ax^]

Blimey, it usually takes at least an hour to get here. Motus in finis velocior it would seem.

tace ..

 

[tim]

My opinion is that planting false atrocity stories in the press is designed to dehumanize the enemy and prepare us to accept their mass slaughter by the IDF.

The real atrocity is the murder not the means of the murder.

Are you claiming that the Kibbutz murders didn't happen?

 

[phildwyer]

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You have absurd expectations of a newspaper whose majority owners are a father and son team of Russian oligarchs one of whom was also once a KGB officer and of which the murderous Saudi Regime also owns 30%.


Saudi state part-owns Evening Standard and Independent, court told

Actually one might expect that an Arab-owned newspaper would be anti-Zionist, unless of course the Arabs involved are decadent traitors itching for the chance to sell out.

 

[two sheds]

Well if you won't watch it, we won't get anywhere. But I'm telling you that it disproves what you've been saying about him.

It's when you say things like this that show you're bullshitting and not even thinking about what you write. Like when you say Biden falls down or messes up speaking all the time. I've seen him talk several time when he didn't mess up speaking. It's the easily disprovable lies and refusal to back down that throw doubt on everything you say.

 

[phildwyer]

Like when you say Biden falls down or messes up speaking all the time. I've seen him talk several time when he didn't mess up speaking.

Almost all the time.

 

[tim]

Actually one might expect that an Arab-owned newspaper would be anti-Zionist, unless of course the Arabs involved are decadent traitors itching for the chance to sell out.

If you were a fucking idiot, you might, but I'm not, so I don't.

 

[two sheds]

Almost all the time.

Bollocks. Only true i the same way that you lie almost all the time.

 

[platinumsage]

Apologies if we've already had this, but a quick fact check on the baby-beheading claims, including Biden being caught out in a blatant lie, saying he'd seen the videos. It's not true, so let's not repeat it?

A fact check from the Qatari state broadcaster, a state that supports Hammas. Not sure it adds anything to the "debate".

 

[andysays]

I thought the Stamford Hill community were largely anti-zionist and a lot of them belong to a sect that believes the Jews shouldn't have their own country till the messiah comes (which'll be a fucking long time I reckon). I may be talking out my arse though.

You are broadly correct.

The people I saw putting up posters in Stamford Hill weren't members of the Charedi community.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

A fact check from the Qatari state broadcaster, a state that supports Hammas. Not sure it adds anything to the "debate".

All the facts in the report are themselves easily checkable.

But here we see the power of propaganda. It leaves its mark even after it is debunked.

 

[tim]

That's incredibly depressing. I really do wish that in the opening paragraph though, Al Jezeera hadn't referred to the Hamas bloodbath as simply a 'surprise attack'. It's very much downplaying the narrative and that feeds into this disparity, as what western govt would align themselves with it?

You wish that a Qatari State owned media outlet didn't promote the interests of the Qatari State

 

[tim]

That's incredibly depressing. I really do wish that in the opening paragraph though, Al Jezeera hadn't referred to the Hamas bloodbath as simply a 'surprise attack'. It's very much downplaying the narrative and that feeds into this disparity, as what western govt would align themselves with it?

You wish that a Qatari State owned media outlet didn't promote the interests of the Qatari State