The Israelis aren't even bothering to defend their claim any more. It's done its job.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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The Israelis aren't even bothering to defend their claim any more. It's done its job.
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It hasn't been debunked. There were claims from civilian first responders that haven't yet been debunked or confirmed, possibly because they lied, possibly because they didn't know the difference between a baby who had been beheaded versus one that had had its head blown off with a gun, or possibly because nobody wants to go around showing pictures of babies with no heads.
Seriously, have a fucking word with yourself. Multiple babies were executed by Hamas. The 'lucky' ones were merely kidnapped and/or orphaned. Why is this the hill you want to die on. You and fucking Dwyer.
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So what. It doesn't disprove anything at all. The video didn't even address the most compelling beheaded baby accounts.
It's not debunked though is it. Do you want me to trawl through Twitter and Telegram and find some more murder porn for you? Children tied together and tortured, people burned alive, all that sort of stuff? There are lots of videos made by the Hammas terrorists and recovered from their corpses by first responders. There's also footage of autopsy details. Do you think if I make a dossier it might be equivalently bad in your mind to the beheading of babies? Will that satisfy you?
Or maybe we can compile some interviews and other accounts about actual beheaded babies, omitted from the Hammas-backer's video you posted - maybe you'd prefer that? Maybe that would really make a difference to how you or anyone else views the actions of terrorists.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Strike hits area around Rafah crossing
An airstrike has hit the area around the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt, the BBC correspondent in the Gaza Strip, Rushdi Abu Alouf has confirmed.The building on the Palestinian side of the crossing has been damaged as well as the road.
There were no immediate reports of casualties.
On Monday, crowds gathered at Rafah following reports that the crossing would be temporarily reopened during a brief ceasefire.
Both Israel and Hamas have denied this and a UN spokesperson has said there has been no progress on full reopening.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Al Jazeera is far from being a bastion of impartiality.
PTK
Paul Kegan
"There were some dissenting voices from across the political spectrum. Both the Labour MP Richard Burgon and Conservative MP Crispin Blunt asked for the government to toughen their language towards Israel, accusing it of “collective punishment"."
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
TBF they can be quite good on some stuff. A big chunk of their journalists and technicians were trained by BBC world service before a certain conservative government massively slashed the BBCs Arabic service...
Because it proves that Israel (or somebody close to Israel) is planting false atrocity stories in the press. Which is well worth knowing, and bearing in mind, as things progress from here.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
We really should do a list of bastions of impartiality news sites
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The crisis actors are just getting younger and younger eh?
WhyLikeThis
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If you haven’t seen the BBC description of the Palestine protests as supporting Hamas and their later retraction.
Their original position must have been given the green light by more than one person. How did this happen in the first place?
Their original position must have been given the green light by more than one person. How did this happen in the first place?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
from an guy who think tucker is a member of the left.. you opinion is a little suspect
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
What's worse, Hamas gunmen who kill and torture civilians and film all the horror, or Israeli pilots who (so far) kill and maim more than twice as many but don't film it all?
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Hamas gunmen who kill and torture civilians.
Or do you think allied bomber pilots in ww2 were worse than concentration camp commandants?
Early call for Godwin's
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HaveMyPassword123
That ship sailed back on Oct 9th.
One cannot equate the violence of the oppressor with the violence of the oppressed.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
But one could stop being obtuse and actually answer the question.
I did answer it.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
No you didn't.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
A very little list.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Thanks for saying what you think here. Let's leave other conflicts out of this discussion for now, particularly WW2.
What makes Hamas worse, from the point of view of the victim? A child shot dead by Hamas suffers just as much as a child bombed and killed by Israeli jets. A child shot and wounded by Hamas suffers just as much as a child bombed and maimed by the Israelis, trapped for god knows how long under rubble. There could be situations where one group of perpetrators of violence have a better and higher moral standing than another. I don't see it in this case.
Whether or not Hamas committed particular atrocities does matter, because the emotive effect of personal direct violence on our understanding and our reactions can blind us to the reality. If I press a button and thousands die the moral responsibility does not go away, simply because I am not face to face with my victim, or because I do not have blood on my hands. Or because I do not film it. Or because I look the other way, or blame someone else, or look for excuses and justifications.
Sorry, missed this earlier.
You ask me to make the case that the Western MSM is pro-Zionist. Well, consider the fact that afaics not a single Western MSM outlet has reported that 800 Israelis stormed the al-Asqa mosque on 10/05, i.e. two days before Hamas' invasion.
I put it to you that this strongly resembles a deliberately co-ordinated policy of falsifying the situation by omission of salient information.
Yossarian
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I think what Godwin was pointing out with his law, which we've all seen demonstrated countless times, is that any discussion online will likely result in Nazi analogies if it goes on for long enough, whether the discussion involves parking laws, flower arranging, or stamp collecting - of course such analogies are likely to emerge sooner in a discussion of wartime atrocities.
agricola
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I would have thought what matters is the intent. That’s why in this country someone who sadistically tortures and murders will get a harsher sentence than someone who kills through gross negligence or by taking self-defence too far. The “worseness” of a crime isn’t defined purely by body count or extent of injury inflicted, but to a large extent by motive and circumstances.
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