Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Would this extend to halt Palestinian killings in the West Bank too? Fuckin doubt it.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
More chance of the ze being admitted to the international cricket Council as a full member
teqniq
DisMembered
That's quashed that idea then:
Hamas Accepts Gaza Cease-fire Deal; Israeli Officials Reject Prospect of War Ending
It was never about the hostages, who knew?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I hope that happens, if for no other reason than it would herald the return of fast bowling.
ska invita
back on the other side
i was just about to post from reading posts on last page if a peace deal means Israel leaving Gaza then of course thats not going to happen - they want to occupy the land and would never agree to leave it, though I guess they could always agree and then break their promise, theyve broken every other deal so why not another
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Met a friend of mine had not seen for a long time. Among other things Gaza came up. As friend is anti Corbyn Labour party supporter I threaded gingerly on the topic. Friend was most supportive of Palestinians and not at all happy with Netanyahu. To my surprise. Went on about some of the history I've been reading.
Anyway in the coffee bar saw this guy looking over and then he interrupted. I've no problem. Said he had just come back from Israel. Then went on about end of times stuff and how Hamas and Muslims were like anti christ or something.
Quite friendly. Most upset when I said I was atheist as he was concerned I would go to hell.
Realised I had just bumped into one of those end of times Christians who support Israel as part of this end of times stuff.
That they do not see themselves as Islamophobic. But that Islam is somehow linked to anti christ or something. He did go on and I could not follow all of it.
We made our excuses and left. Or rather my friend did. I'm quite happy chatting to people like this. As long as they aren't aggressive. Curious what they go on about. As someone I know in PSC said the cold war is over. Its not about Imperialism. That in US these end of times Christians have a lot of clout politically. Its more about a certain type of Christianity and Islamophobia
Thought Id met one of those Christians types who in US have more influence than here.
He was perfectly polite. And most concerned Id would go to hell. And Didn't I realise God loves all sinners.
Kind of interesting ( one way ) conversation. There is nothing one can do with these Israel supporters. Its not rational its a belief.
Anyway in the coffee bar saw this guy looking over and then he interrupted. I've no problem. Said he had just come back from Israel. Then went on about end of times stuff and how Hamas and Muslims were like anti christ or something.
Quite friendly. Most upset when I said I was atheist as he was concerned I would go to hell.
Realised I had just bumped into one of those end of times Christians who support Israel as part of this end of times stuff.
That they do not see themselves as Islamophobic. But that Islam is somehow linked to anti christ or something. He did go on and I could not follow all of it.
We made our excuses and left. Or rather my friend did. I'm quite happy chatting to people like this. As long as they aren't aggressive. Curious what they go on about. As someone I know in PSC said the cold war is over. Its not about Imperialism. That in US these end of times Christians have a lot of clout politically. Its more about a certain type of Christianity and Islamophobia
Thought Id met one of those Christians types who in US have more influence than here.
He was perfectly polite. And most concerned Id would go to hell. And Didn't I realise God loves all sinners.
Kind of interesting ( one way ) conversation. There is nothing one can do with these Israel supporters. Its not rational its a belief.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Beliefs can be quite rational.
Is it fair to say Israel can no longer claim to be the only democracy in the Middle East? It is technically an electoral democracy in that it holds elections, but so do many countries in the Middle East.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The conflict causes divisions here in UK.
Recent elections.
www.theguardian.com
Whilst Starmer stance does not mean he will lose election its now concerning to leadership that they have alienated one of the core vote. British working class of descent from countries that have Muslim/ middle east background.
BTW that does not mean practising. In London I've worked with/met people from across middle east. Secular but when it comes to Palestine view is that Zionists stole the land from their "brothers" in that part of middle east.
This from Guardian article is laughable:
Labour MP Ellie Reeves on local election results
Um no.
Back then he said:
When Starmer came to leadership he put Labour back to its old position historically of supporting Zionism. Which to be fair was Labour party position from its early days and under Harold Wilson
That is Labour Zionism to be precise.
Now with the loss of votes in certain areas of country his leadership are backtracking and trying to say they supported Palestinians all along.
It comes across as bit all over the place.
Lesson is if you kick off enough they will listen.
I almost feel sorry for him. He is pushed from pillar to post depending on what seems best at the time.
Recent elections.
Labour ‘working to get support back’ after losing votes over Gaza stance
Analysis shows almost 18% drop in party’s vote in areas of England where more than a fifth are Muslim
Whilst Starmer stance does not mean he will lose election its now concerning to leadership that they have alienated one of the core vote. British working class of descent from countries that have Muslim/ middle east background.
BTW that does not mean practising. In London I've worked with/met people from across middle east. Secular but when it comes to Palestine view is that Zionists stole the land from their "brothers" in that part of middle east.
This from Guardian article is laughable:
Labour MP Ellie Reeves on local election results
Um no.
Back then he said:
When Starmer came to leadership he put Labour back to its old position historically of supporting Zionism. Which to be fair was Labour party position from its early days and under Harold Wilson
That is Labour Zionism to be precise.
Now with the loss of votes in certain areas of country his leadership are backtracking and trying to say they supported Palestinians all along.
It comes across as bit all over the place.
Lesson is if you kick off enough they will listen.
I almost feel sorry for him. He is pushed from pillar to post depending on what seems best at the time.
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
There are some suggestions it might be - there are a lot of Congresspeople barking about it, and in his speech Netanyahu today said this:
... which certainly sounds like has been told that the end of the road had been reached.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Starmer deserves no pity, only to be trod into the mud like the worm he is (apologies to any worms reading)The conflict causes divisions here in UK.
Recent elections.
Labour ‘working to get support back’ after losing votes over Gaza stance
Analysis shows almost 18% drop in party’s vote in areas of England where more than a fifth are Muslim
Whilst Starmer stance does not mean he will lose election its now concerning to leadership that they have alienated one of the core vote. British working class of descent from countries that have Muslim/ middle east background.
BTW that does not mean practising. In London I've worked with/met people from across middle east. Secular but when it comes to Palestine view is that Zionists stole the land from their "brothers" in that part of middle east.
This from Guardian article is laughable:
Labour MP Ellie Reeves on local election results
Um no.
Back then he said:
When Starmer came to leadership he put Labour back to its old position historically of supporting Zionism. Which to be fair was Labour party position from its early days and under Harold Wilson
That is Labour Zionism to be precise.
Now with the loss of votes in certain areas of country his leadership are backtracking and trying to say they supported Palestinians all along.
It comes across as bit all over the place.
Lesson is if you kick off enough they will listen.
I almost feel sorry for him. He is pushed from pillar to post depending on what seems best at the time.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
S'ok. You get used to it.
And oh look, Starmer is speaking up. After checking his position aligns with that of the US first, of course.
news.sky.com
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer says Israeli offensive 'must not go ahead' after Palestinians told to leave Rafah in Gaza
The Israeli army has ordered more than a million people sheltering in Rafah to move out as it plans to strike the city it says is Hamas' last stronghold.
news.sky.com
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Palestinians look pretty happy about it.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
they be invading Rafah this evening most likely
then blame hamas for this latest escalation
teqniq
DisMembered
Link? Is this new because they accepted terms a few days ago but Netanyahu scuppered it as per the archived Haaretz article I posted
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
It's on AJ right now as breaking news.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
maybe they haven't got it to give them?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
again
teqniq
DisMembered
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Letter to the ICC from 12 American Senators pretty much says 'You've got a nice court, it would be a shame if something happened to it"
RhymnRzn
anti-doter
Blood drinking out of golden cups
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