Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If so, he hasn't updated his LinkedIn page. Has himself down as Communications Specialist for the Office of the Prime Minister of Israel Nov 2023 to present.
So he touted for the work just as the genocide was ramping up. I can help you with that...
Zionism does not recognise an Israeli people or an Israeli Jewish people. Netanyahu said it himself a few years ago. Jews are the nation, Israel is the state of the Jews.
teqniq
DisMembered
Maybe you are confusing him with Eylon Levy who was indeed sacked?
teqniq
DisMembered
Bellingcat report on IDF combat engineering unit who have been demolishing homes across Gaza with explosives:
www.bellingcat.com
“We’ve Become Addicted to Explosions” The IDF Unit Responsible for Demolishing Homes Across Gaza - bellingcat
Bellingcat investigates the demolitions carried out by the IDF in Gaza.
www.bellingcat.com
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so that's one thing putin and netanyahu have in common, both had their forces investigated by bellingcatBellingcat report on IDF combat engineering unit who have been demolishing homes across Gaza with explosives:
“We’ve Become Addicted to Explosions” The IDF Unit Responsible for Demolishing Homes Across Gaza - bellingcat
Bellingcat investigates the demolitions carried out by the IDF in Gaza.
Gramsci
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USA and Israel are not signed up to the ICC.
Looking at news get impression Israeli government is concerned some of its members may be on the radar of ICC.
Israeli officials eye threat of ICC arrest warrants over war in Gaza
Israeli media reports say International Criminal Court might soon issue warrants for top government, military officials.
So Israel government is starting to publicly question why it should be.
Another example of what is called in middle east Israeli "exceptionalism"
Note the language. "Refrain". He is not saying any move by ICC is baseless. Just "refrain" from doing it as this time
What a load of bollox.
And a supposedly western style democratic state that will not sign up to international legal system whining about possibly being subject to it.
These people in power in Israel now are such tossers.
Of course "anti semitism" is thrown in as well.. What a surprise.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Isn't it the case that while the ze may not be signed up, crimes in the occupied territories fall under the icc's remit?USA and Israel are not signed up to the ICC.
Looking at news get impression Israeli government is concerned some of its members may be on the radar of ICC.
Israeli officials eye threat of ICC arrest warrants over war in Gaza
Israeli media reports say International Criminal Court might soon issue warrants for top government, military officials.www.aljazeera.com
So Israel government is starting to publicly question why it should be.
Another example of what is called in middle east Israeli "exceptionalism"
Note the language. "Refrain". He is not saying any move by ICC is baseless. Just "refrain" from doing it as this time
What a load of bollox.
And a supposedly western style democratic state that will not sign up to international legal system whining about possibly being subject to it.
These people in power in Israel now are such tossers.
Of course "anti semitism" is thrown in as well.. What a surprise.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I'm a third of the way through this military history of the 1930s Arab revolt in Palestine.
www.cambridge.org
I have a lot of time for military historians. This is not moralistic. Its looking at why British succeeded and why the Palestinians failed. Also has very detailed sections on the mechanics and organisation of the British "pacification" of the revolt.
In short.
Palestinians were riven by social and organisational divisions in 1930s.
British did not go down route of pure military rule. It was application of measured force. Brutal / bureaucratic but also seeking to get on side those Palestinians who might oppose/ give up revolt with concessions. A lot of effort was put into this by British.
The Zionists learnt a lot from the British but seems to me now that the measured use of violence that British used in Empire is something they have forgotten.
In case of Gaza the mistake is to go in all guns blazing and think one can subdue a commited, well organised guerilla force. And a population who are now more alienated than before.
On Palestinian side. Hamas as an organisation and military organisation seems to have learnt some of the lessons of the Arab revolt.
Their is a centralised leadership and an armed wing with its own leaders. They appear so far to have been able to keep the armed wing intact and functioning. There is a chain of command and commited fighters. Who are committed to the politics.
The Arab revolt of 30s was riven by localism. With different commanders of local districts vying with each other. Not a coherent organisation.
In Matthew Hughes book he compares the Arab revolt to the contemporary Maoist rural guerilla warfare in 1930s.
Hamas have been able , unlike in the Arab revolt, to keep a section of Palestinian civilians onside.
I haven not read all of this highly detailed book by Matthew Hughes. Just first third. But the parallels with now are their. He appears to have read everything. Its almost boring the detail he has gone into. Not a racy read. Comes across as so level headed that British military types now could use it as text book case of suppression of insurgent warfare.
He also compares the Arab revolt with the Vietnamese fighting the French and Americans. Its not always outright winning against a superior force its managing to not be defeated. Another lesson.
Cambridge Military Histories - Britain's Pacification of Palestine
Britain's Pacification of Palestine - January 2019
I have a lot of time for military historians. This is not moralistic. Its looking at why British succeeded and why the Palestinians failed. Also has very detailed sections on the mechanics and organisation of the British "pacification" of the revolt.
In short.
Palestinians were riven by social and organisational divisions in 1930s.
British did not go down route of pure military rule. It was application of measured force. Brutal / bureaucratic but also seeking to get on side those Palestinians who might oppose/ give up revolt with concessions. A lot of effort was put into this by British.
The Zionists learnt a lot from the British but seems to me now that the measured use of violence that British used in Empire is something they have forgotten.
In case of Gaza the mistake is to go in all guns blazing and think one can subdue a commited, well organised guerilla force. And a population who are now more alienated than before.
On Palestinian side. Hamas as an organisation and military organisation seems to have learnt some of the lessons of the Arab revolt.
Their is a centralised leadership and an armed wing with its own leaders. They appear so far to have been able to keep the armed wing intact and functioning. There is a chain of command and commited fighters. Who are committed to the politics.
The Arab revolt of 30s was riven by localism. With different commanders of local districts vying with each other. Not a coherent organisation.
In Matthew Hughes book he compares the Arab revolt to the contemporary Maoist rural guerilla warfare in 1930s.
Hamas have been able , unlike in the Arab revolt, to keep a section of Palestinian civilians onside.
I haven not read all of this highly detailed book by Matthew Hughes. Just first third. But the parallels with now are their. He appears to have read everything. Its almost boring the detail he has gone into. Not a racy read. Comes across as so level headed that British military types now could use it as text book case of suppression of insurgent warfare.
He also compares the Arab revolt with the Vietnamese fighting the French and Americans. Its not always outright winning against a superior force its managing to not be defeated. Another lesson.
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Gramsci
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Yes Palestinian Authority I think signed up to it. So ICC have a remit in Gaza.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
USA and Israel are not signed up to the ICC.
Looking at news get impression Israeli government is concerned some of its members may be on the radar of ICC.
Israeli officials eye threat of ICC arrest warrants over war in Gaza
Israeli media reports say International Criminal Court might soon issue warrants for top government, military officials.
So Israel government is starting to publicly question why it should be.
Another example of what is called in middle east Israeli "exceptionalism"
Note the language. "Refrain". He is not saying any move by ICC is baseless. Just "refrain" from doing it as this time
What a load of bollox.
And a supposedly western style democratic state that will not sign up to international legal system whining about possibly being subject to it.
These people in power in Israel now are such tossers.
Of course "anti semitism" is thrown in as well.. What a surprise.
They aren't, and it is very sad that states can opt in or out of it but it is an effective thing to threaten them with in this instance.
I rather think this talk of the ICC will either happen or not happen depending on attitude of the Israeli government in these latest peace talks.
teqniq
DisMembered
teqniq
DisMembered
Now issuing threats. Why Am I not surprised?
Israel tells U.S. it will punish Palestinian Authority if ICC issues warrants
Israel tells U.S. it will punish Palestinian Authority if ICC issues warrants
Larry O'Hara
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They will now accuse Hamas of having done it: you watch
Larry O'Hara
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No irony: these thugs are exhibiting the same genocidal mentality as the IDF
Larry O'Hara
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Not read it for years but in the day the hard copy edition had some good non-D noticed stuff on Brit spooks
Larry O'Hara
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If Bellingcat are on the case so are MI6
Gramsci
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Watched this long interview with Palestinian academic who works in Israel and lives in East Jerusalem.
Was not sure what thread to put this on. Already posted how she is now under arrest by Israeli authorities.
She has written a lot on how children are treated under the occupation.
The first half and throughout the interview I would say this is a must view. She has personal experience of living under Israeli Zionist rule.
Whilst up to this point navigating living in a Zionist state and being successful academic. Both in Israel and as visiting lecturer in this country.
Her work spans disciplines but she is a criminologist.
In a nutshell her view of Zionism is that its a criminal enterprise and should end.
She has no problems with Jewish people. Its the settler colonist European Zionist project she has problems with.
And she does say its a settler colonial project. One that is ongoing to this day.
She talks of her family history and experience of living in East Jerusalem.
She said after the Nakba her father was shot at for being an "infiltrator". One of many Palestinians who tried to get back to the homes they had been expelled from in 48. Labelled infiltrators by Zionist Israeli state.
First part of the interview she talks of the way Zionism operates in East Jerusalem. Its been under an attempted process of " Judeaisation".
Using "legal" processes of planning and the daily micro aggressions she recount by settlers.
So Zionism covers a broad spectrum from state "legal" methods to street level micro aggressions.
Something she and her neighbours deal with as part of everyday life.
Her work has dealt with how Palestinian children are dealt with by Israeli state. This does get into academic discourse. And I'm no expert on criminology. What did come across in interview is that this is not some kind of detached ivory tower philosophising.
He work sounds like it had academic rigour but its rooted in her daily experience and what she see around her.
What come across is that Israel is not some kind of modern state where surveillance and control is subtle. Its in your face if you are Palestinian. In that sense , as was said in the discussion , Israeli state is modern and also 16th/ 17c century - where state violence and control was open and clear.
As an aside its something the Israeli architect says in context of architecture and power in Israel ( Eyal Weizman)
The other issue she discusses is the dehumanisation of Palestinians. Example is Israeli state keeping children bodies who have been shot by state frozen in morgues and the Palestinian families having to argue to get them back. A few cases she was involved in.
Some of the more academic references I didn't get this time around. The interview was long but covered awful lot of ground. That could have separate interviews/ lectures on.
I think what she was getting at was the way that a state can impinge of peoples bodies. That this is in itself political.
Anyway her is the interview she gave before her arrest. I understand this interview was one of the reasons she ended up being arrested
Was not sure what thread to put this on. Already posted how she is now under arrest by Israeli authorities.
She has written a lot on how children are treated under the occupation.
The first half and throughout the interview I would say this is a must view. She has personal experience of living under Israeli Zionist rule.
Whilst up to this point navigating living in a Zionist state and being successful academic. Both in Israel and as visiting lecturer in this country.
Her work spans disciplines but she is a criminologist.
In a nutshell her view of Zionism is that its a criminal enterprise and should end.
She has no problems with Jewish people. Its the settler colonist European Zionist project she has problems with.
And she does say its a settler colonial project. One that is ongoing to this day.
She talks of her family history and experience of living in East Jerusalem.
She said after the Nakba her father was shot at for being an "infiltrator". One of many Palestinians who tried to get back to the homes they had been expelled from in 48. Labelled infiltrators by Zionist Israeli state.
First part of the interview she talks of the way Zionism operates in East Jerusalem. Its been under an attempted process of " Judeaisation".
Using "legal" processes of planning and the daily micro aggressions she recount by settlers.
So Zionism covers a broad spectrum from state "legal" methods to street level micro aggressions.
Something she and her neighbours deal with as part of everyday life.
Her work has dealt with how Palestinian children are dealt with by Israeli state. This does get into academic discourse. And I'm no expert on criminology. What did come across in interview is that this is not some kind of detached ivory tower philosophising.
He work sounds like it had academic rigour but its rooted in her daily experience and what she see around her.
What come across is that Israel is not some kind of modern state where surveillance and control is subtle. Its in your face if you are Palestinian. In that sense , as was said in the discussion , Israeli state is modern and also 16th/ 17c century - where state violence and control was open and clear.
As an aside its something the Israeli architect says in context of architecture and power in Israel ( Eyal Weizman)
The other issue she discusses is the dehumanisation of Palestinians. Example is Israeli state keeping children bodies who have been shot by state frozen in morgues and the Palestinian families having to argue to get them back. A few cases she was involved in.
Some of the more academic references I didn't get this time around. The interview was long but covered awful lot of ground. That could have separate interviews/ lectures on.
I think what she was getting at was the way that a state can impinge of peoples bodies. That this is in itself political.
Anyway her is the interview she gave before her arrest. I understand this interview was one of the reasons she ended up being arrested
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
As important as that would be - and it is obviously of great importance that the mass killings stop - what is IMHO of greater importance is what happens when Netanyahu inevitably breaches it.
There has to be severe consequences for him personally and for the current Israeli government generally when they do it; these really need to be publicly announced beforehand so that good faith can start to exist. They are going to do it anyway, and its important to see that such behaviour has been predicted and will not be tolerated any more.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I can’t see anything effective being threatened let alone used. Ceasing loan guarantees, halting arms transfers.
Anything else is just bullshit.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Halting arms transfers would be a serious matter - the ammunition for the Iron Dome for example is mostly US made, and they use a lot of it. ICC charges would be as well.
Received a promise from the U.S and yet how many times have we heard spokesperson from the State Department say that Israel is a sovereign state responsible for making it's own policy
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