Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Kid_Eternity]

To the Israel supporters on this thread. How many civilian deaths are too many for you?

What a morally repugnant question…

 

[cupid_stunt]

Fucking hell, I find myself in agreement with TC for once.

Well, that didn't last long.

 

[PTK]

Canadian prime minister calls Israeli strike on hospital 'unacceptable'​

Canadian prime minister calls Israeli strike on hospital 'unacceptable'

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Tuesday said a reported Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza was "horrific and absolutely unacceptable."

www.reuters.com

 

[PTK]

Apologist on the BBC now saying that it was a Hamas rocket, and that it was a case of Hamas using human shields. So, it was simultaneously a misfire, and an Israeli attack.

 

[ska invita]

Thing is even if there does become pressure for Israel to crease fire the siege is just as deadly, if not more, with each passing day.

 

[teqniq]

Also Islamic Jihad according to this:

 

[Lord Camomile]

Rather like a Tory "independent review".

 

[PTK]

It sound more authentic to claim it was Islamic Jihad. It makes it sound like they have carefully researched things.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

What a morally repugnant question…

What’s repugnant is the answer.

 

[phildwyer]

I've already provided an unavoidable answer in post 3061, which you ignored:



tl;dr, its not about loving Israel, it's about hating arabs.

I don't think the British hate the Arabs particularly. In fact there's a long history of friendship and alliance--TE Lawrence, Philby Sr and so forth--and a tradition of Arabism among the toffs in the Foreign Office. Insofar as that legacy has been damaged, it's the consequence of our alliance with Israel not the cause.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Have the IDF owned up to hitting those trucks with escaping civilians, then the rescue teams, yet? What about the bombing around the Egyptian border? Or the southern places in the Gaza strip where people were meant to head for safety?

 

[TopCat]

What a morally repugnant question…

Seems fair though

 

[not-bono-ever]

Surely they cannot grozny the place to dust can they after this ?

 

[TopCat]

Surely they cannot grozny the place to dust can they after this ?

That’s the plan. It may change but it probably won’t

 

[phildwyer]

To the Israel supporters on this thread.

Are there any? I haven't noticed them. I don't find much support for Israel among the UK public either. Which once again raises the question of why we are in alliance with them.

 

[PTK]

Grozny was fair enough, as Putin was our friend at the time. Only extremists like Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn opposed the bombing of Chechnya.

 

[Raheem]

It sound more authentic to claim it was Islamic Jihad. It makes it sound like they have carefully researched things.

That IJ have launched rockets today is probably factual.

 

[Gramsci]

When you say secret do you mean 'i don't read anything about defence and intelligence'...?

The UK defence sector has had a relationship with Israel since the formation of the state - industrial, training, intelligence, equipment - all very public, not secret, debated in parliament (particularly a UAV called Watchkeeper, which has turned out to be an expensive mistake).

Stuff you don't read isn't a secret.

It was this:

Israel, Britain Sign Secret Military Agreement

Details of new Israel-Britain defense agreement 'highly classified'; IDF, UK armed forces wish to integrate military capabilities, says think tank.

israelradar.com

Posted up by teqniq

Even if it isn't secret its shit relationship between British military and Israel.

 

[dilute micro]

Thing is even if there does become pressure for Israel to crease fire the siege is just as deadly, if not more, with each passing day.

Israel will ignore the pressure. Israel have lost their shit via 1400 sadistic murders. I agree, though, that not allowing for the necessities for life is just as deadly and criminal.

 

[Ax^]

Also Islamic Jihad according to this:

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multiple sources being a group of commanders being told this make them look bad

and just saying Hamas was inside the hospital would not cover the bombing


ahh Islamic jihad Rocket.. that somehow failed to launch vertically downwards from the sky just like an israeli air strike

 

[Ax^]

Israel will ignore the pressure. Israel have lost their shit via 1400 sadistic murders. I agree, though, that not allowing for the necessities for life is just as deadly and criminal.

israel lost it shit as only palestinians are meant to die in such numbers

 

[teqniq]

They are definitely going with the Islamic Jihad bullshit bigtime according to Al-Jazeera. Netenyahu saying it as well.

 

[likesfish]

if you think shooting up a rave is understandable
then an "opposie" with a bomb is just on of those things

the IDF just have a lot more firepower the Muslim world is just angry that the IDF can bit back 10X harder their was just celebration when it was dead Jews now the whirlwind has arrived it's all crime against humanity this and urge restraint that.
Israel won't care it's enemies already want to wipe them out

 

[cupid_stunt]

And, lets not forget the bombing of that school in south Gaza earlier today.

 

[ska invita]

Surely they cannot grozny the place to dust can they after this ?

This all feels like "softening up" to me...

 

[Ax^]

or the IDF History of targeting medical facilities and doctors in retaliatory strikes over the years

just from 2021

Gaza: Israeli airstrikes kill doctors and damage healthcare facilities

Israeli airstrikes in the Palestinian territory of Gaza have damaged six hospitals, nine primary health care centres, and a desalination plant that supplies clean water to 250 000 people, the United Nations has reported.1

Gaza’s main covid-19 laboratory and the Palestinian Ministry of Health offices have also been hit,2 and at least two prominent doctors, the internal medicine consultant Ayman Abu Alouf, who was leading the covid-19 team at Al Shifa hospital, and the health ministry neurologist Moeen Al-Aloul, have been killed.

The latest escalation in violence was the result of unrest in the West Bank, as pro-settler organisations have been attempting to force Palestinian families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood of East Jerusalem, in a move that the United Nations warned could amount to “war crimes.”3

Since the unrest began on 7 May at least 212 Palestinians, including 61 children, have been killed

 

[phildwyer]

Israel have lost their shit

It's a country, not an American on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

 

[mojo pixy]

I don't think the British hate the Arabs particularly. In fact there's a long history of friendship and alliance--TE Lawrence, Philby Sr and so forth--and a tradition of Arabism among the toffs in the Foreign Office. Insofar as that legacy has been damaged, it's the consequence of our alliance with Israel not the cause.

Arabism ffs, a kind of patronising orientalism from when 'we' had an empire and all the cultural attitudes that went with that - we literally looked down on everyone but we were a big fish then, now we aren't. There's no 'arabism' any more you wannabe victorian plum, there's "but Islam isn't a race", Islamic Jihad, Hizbollah, Daesh and Terror Alerts. Israel is a proper thorn in all that, it's a bastion of so-called western liberal democracy in an expanse of islamic otherness.

 

[pbsmooth]

if you think shooting up a rave is understandable
then an "opposie" with a bomb is just on of those things

the IDF just have a lot more firepower the Muslim world is just angry that the IDF can bit back 10X harder their was just celebration when it was dead Jews now the whirlwind has arrived it's all crime against humanity this and urge restraint that.
Israel won't care it's enemies already want to wipe them out

and this is what Hamas wanted.

 

[Gramsci]

The IDF already 'police' most of the West Bank.

Yes its area C under full IDF military control where the worst settler violence is. IDF do little or nothing to stop it.