Fracking - the general discussion.
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equationgirl
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Even the Victorians, pioneers of industry of all kinds, had given up on shale gas and oil as a viable industry. Parts of Scotland, mainly central belt, are littered with the remains of this industry.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's only because they didn't have the engineering technology to find and extract it in commercially viable quantities. Had that been developed it would have been all systems go.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Plentiful Coal, and the money that could be made from mining it probably more relevant, tbh.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Also it has been revealed that well-connected frackers Cuadrilla have a non-disclosure agreement with the British Geological Survey which limits what information about the former's activities the latter can publish.
E2a: https://inews.co.uk/news/environmen...t-disclosure-files-british-geological-survey/
E2a: https://inews.co.uk/news/environmen...t-disclosure-files-british-geological-survey/
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Quite possibly given that the internal combustion engine was still in its infancy.
equationgirl
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Wouldn't be at all surprised - companies working with technologies such as this don't want any figures that could be misinterpreted or misrepresented ending up in the public domain and picked up by the press.
Except in this case I don't think the data would be misinterpreted etc and that's what they're afraid of.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Lots of country seats in Scotland were demolished as mine workings extended too close to or even under the properties, Hamilton Palace is probably the most notable property lost in this way. No fan of the upper classes by any means, but the loss to the nation of fine architecture is incalculable.
There's also parts of Glasgow with lots of subsidence due to mine workings, the University District of Gilmorehill is particularly affected. Iirc one of the mines could be accessed from the basement of one of the University buildings.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Oil-drilling expansion plan sparks row
This bit gets me...
The earthquakes started in April 2018, but are probably a coincidence?
This bit gets me...
The earthquakes started in April 2018, but are probably a coincidence?
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
It is possible to have earthquake swarms that are natural in origin - so they might be right. I suppose it depends on how many faults there are in Surrey. We had a swarm in Manchester nearly 20 years ago - there are loads of faults round here, along with old mine workings due to the coal measures being abundant in the area.The earthquakes started in April 2018, but are probably a coincidence?
Tankus
Amused OAP
Is the English experiment over?
drillordrop.com
“Fracking is over” – UK energy minister
The UK energy minister said this evening that fracking was over and the government had “moved on”.
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NoXion
You remain unbroken, for your fight... is Eternal
Is the English experiment over?
“Fracking is over” – UK energy minister
The UK energy minister said this evening that fracking was over and the government had “moved on”.
Hopefully so. I don't think I ever saw any convincing economics to back up the idea of fracking in this country, even if one ignores the environmental impacts. Fracking in general seems to be a technique born from the fossil fuels industry's desperation for profitable new deposits. Hopefully investors get scared off from funding any further idiocy in this respect. "Hi, we're an industry that has relentlessly exploited resources to the point where we're now literally breaking up rocks in people's gardens and farms in the hope of finding something. Please give us money so that we can continue our unsustainable addiction to the black stuff, kthx."
Good fucking riddance.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
All the fracking companies are shell companies of shell companies of shell companies. That's a setup you use when there's a good chance of sunk costs with zero payoff and you don't want the financial, or environmental liabilities coming back to you.
Sasaferrato
We've been together now for twenty years...
As the man said, when the information you have changes, your view changes.
I was in favour of fracking, now not. It isn't needed. We are moving, albeit slowly, towards eradication of fossil fuel use, so another source seems to be of little use.
I was in favour of fracking, now not. It isn't needed. We are moving, albeit slowly, towards eradication of fossil fuel use, so another source seems to be of little use.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Those US billionaires don’t pay Tufton street rents for nothing, you know.
Tooter
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Very confused at Lizz Truss recent action to remove the moratorium on fracking... I remember the uproar this caused in Lancashire where I was brought up and the serious unrest caused.
I would have thought given her background as secretary of state for the the environment she may be more cautious although it turns out she did try and suppress a DEFRA report on Shale Gas: Rural Economy Impacts report in 2015.
Flustered Liz Truss Blames Civil Servants for Redacted Fracking Report Fiasco
I was also surprised to learn pre government she used to work as an economist for Shell....
How strange then that she should immediately move to undo these environmental protections despite being told or the risk to the environment, that it would likely take a long time to get any gas and even then the energy companies would only sell the resulting gas at market prices
It all sounds incredibly murky.
I would have thought given her background as secretary of state for the the environment she may be more cautious although it turns out she did try and suppress a DEFRA report on Shale Gas: Rural Economy Impacts report in 2015.
Flustered Liz Truss Blames Civil Servants for Redacted Fracking Report Fiasco
I was also surprised to learn pre government she used to work as an economist for Shell....
How strange then that she should immediately move to undo these environmental protections despite being told or the risk to the environment, that it would likely take a long time to get any gas and even then the energy companies would only sell the resulting gas at market prices
It all sounds incredibly murky.
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
She’s a former BP employee and records substantial donations from BP affiliates towards her leadership campaign.
Gosh I wonder why she’s doing this.
Gosh I wonder why she’s doing this.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Can't say I am surprised considering she was banging on about it during the leadership campaign.
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Tooter
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Liz Truss reveals campaign donation of £100,000 from wife of ex-BP executive
Wow.....rotten to the core. What a disgrace 
business as usual it would appear.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
didn't take her long to climb into the troughLiz Truss reveals campaign donation of £100,000 from wife of ex-BP executive
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
This will end well, gien how anti fracking support drew a very wide range of support. Given most opposition seats are urban, the only places they can really frack are other tories. Bring on the civil war
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Even the petrochemical companies aren't that interested. The whole fracking industry in the UK up to now has been a dead loss as far as I know. The boss of Cuadrilla, a major player in fracking 1.0, is saying it's not viable. And that would probably be the case even without the ferocious opposition any new fracking sites will face.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
This is going nowhere. No Tory MP is going to support this on their doorstep. Mogg certainly won't respond to the challenge another Tory put to him to that end. Bizarre to think why they are doing this. Perhaps to wrongfoot Starmer
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