European Elections 2019

[redsquirrel]

I thought he won that court case. Got a link?

Here and here, as if you didn't know you.

I haven't seen the death certificates of the 96 victims of Hillsborough. But I'm going to make an assertion anyway, without fear of contradiction – not a single one of them lists the cause of death as "incompetence" or "inexperience". The vast majority died of asphyxiation, crushed to death by the weight of hundreds of bodies pressing them against unyielding steel fences or the concrete steps of the terracing.

Yet despite 23 years of investigations, reports and analysis, the most blindingly obvious fact is never spoken. The pressure that caused that crush didn't come out of nowhere. It wasn't an act of God, it wasn't a freak gravity storm. It came from behind them, and every ounce of it came from human beings. Specifically, it came from Liverpool fans.

 

[DexterTCN]

Here as if you didn't know you.

A link to the trial judgement, fuckwit.

lol you quoted danny as proof

 

[Orang Utan]

upthread you said you voted green and 'blamed Labour' for making you do it. What were you blaming Labour for?

Being shit in opposition and mired in anti-semitism. I voted Green cos it was clear they were anti Brexit

 

[DexterTCN]

In fact...let's not.

But you made me laugh.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I've just seen it happen at my polling station. Apparently this time EU citizens had to fill out a special form to say they weren't going to vote in their home country. It seems like they weren't told they had to fill the form out or something? Why did they change the rules?

You don't have to fill out a special form if you're on the electoral register in two places if you have 2 homes or are a student or something

And apparently nobody told anyone about the special form. My mate just got sent a polling card as usual, with no mention of 'oh btw, you can't actually vote'.

 

[redsquirrel]

A link to the trial judgement, fuckwit.

lol you quoted danny as proof

What "trial judgement" would this be fuckwit? The one that was settled out of court?

 

[DexterTCN]

What "trial judgement" would this be fuckwit? The one that was settled out of court?

In whose favour, fuckwit?

 

[killer b]

Being shit in opposition and mired in anti-semitism. I voted Green cos it was clear they were anti Brexit

can't argue too much with the antisemitism thing, but being shit in opposition? I guess if you only read the headlines you might think that...

 

[Orang Utan]

can't argue too much with the antisemitism thing, but being shit in opposition? I guess if you only read the headlines you might think that...

The main thing for me is their failure to oppose the welfare reforms vehemently enough.
Politics is really hard to keep up with, esp Brexit negotiations. There's a lot of confusing detail that pretty much deters people like me from reading all about it. Probably why there's such a low turn out.
There was a stupid line in that Russell T Davies thing on the Beeb about politics becoming less boring but i think it's the opposite. It's become too complicated. You have to be very highly motivated to have any kind of handle on wtf is going on, what our politicians think and what they propose to do.

 

[killer b]

The main thing for me is their failure to oppose the welfare reforms vehemently enough.

When was this? In 2015, before Corbyn won the leadership election, partly on the back of being the only candidate who voted against the reforms?

 

[agricola]

In whose favour, fuckwit?

That case was brought because the paper (mistakenly) said he blamed the 96 for the deaths at Hillsborough - which he didn't.

What he claimed was that other Liverpool fans were responsible, as redsquirrel correctly pointed out. That is why he didn't sue the Daily Record for saying that he blamed other Liverpool fans for the deaths, nor did he sue the Herald when they said that he blamed other Liverpool fans for the deaths.

 

[Orang Utan]

When was this? In 2015, before Corbyn won the leadership election, partly on the back of being the only candidate who voted against the reforms?

Was it that long ago? Fuck. That's four years!

 

[kabbes]

I voted Socialist Party of Great Britain in the end.

 

[Balbi]

Was it that long ago? Fuck. That's four years!

And two general elections - the Labour failure to oppose was under Harriet Harman's brief caretaker leadership, when Chris Leslie (lol) was Shadow Chancellor and the party was convinced that Miliband had lost because he had gone too left wing and the electorate voting for Tories meant they had to not oppose their policies.

Just writing that sentence makes me laugh, the fucking twats.

Here's that Shadow Cabinet in full btw, and it's a haunting reminder of what would have happened if anyone but Corbyn had won in 2015 - Second Shadow Cabinet of Harriet Harman - Wikipedia

 

[Orang Utan]

It's all too much to keep up with. No wonder the vote is split so much.
But what else is there to do. Not vote?

 

[killer b]

It's too much too keep up with a change in leadership in a political party 4 years ago?

 

[8115]

Actually I agree that something has changed in politics. I used to keep up with things but now I don't really know what's what. I think that maybe there used to be a lot more theatre and now that's gone it's harder to follow.

But to be honest, when it comes to choosing who to vote for I'm always pretty broad brush.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

on the ballot paper (SE England) the vermin were listed as 'conservative and unionist' party - do they usually do that? (i must admit i don't usually take much notice of them anyway)

 

[Orang Utan]

It's too much too keep up with a change in leadership in a political party 4 years ago?

and everything since. it's been eventful. the only people i know who seem to know what's going on are those who spend hours reading about it every day. if you struggle to read past even the first paragraph of any news article, a lot will pass you by.

 

[brogdale]

on the ballot paper (SE England) the vermin were listed as 'conservative and unionist' party - do they usually do that? (i must admit i don't usually take much notice of them anyway)

That's the party's name, so yes...they do usually do that.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

That's the party's name, so yes...they do usually do that.

hmm.

searching images for general election ballot papers suggests otherwise

(image search on general election ballot paper - not my constituency or choice of candidate)

wonder if it's different because in theory at a general or council election, you're voting for an individual, but at the euros you're voting for a party?

 

[brogdale]

hmm.

searching images for general election ballot papers suggests otherwise

(image search on general election ballot paper - not my constituency or choice of candidate)

wonder if it's different because in theory at a general or council election, you're voting for an individual, but at the euros you're voting for a party?

Not really; it's their party name.

 

[killer b]

Iirc they've only started using the 'and unionist' bit in recent years, I think it's a May innovation.

 

[killer b]

Oh no, Cameron did it in 2016.

Tories apply to become “Conservative and Unionist party” across Britain

 

[Wilf]

Iirc they've only started using the 'and unionist' bit in recent years, I think it's a May innovation.

… though it was their official title for much of the 20th Century. On ballot papers/nomination forms I think candidates can vary the party name, providing they use no more than 6 words.

edit: there's some fascinating stuff in here:
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/107694/to-names-rp.pdf

 

[N_igma]

They started using it to cosy up to the DUP. It is the official name of the party.

 

[imposs1904]

DYSWIM about the West Saxon colonisers in the Western part of our free (Jutish) people's republic?

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So, that's where Arya white horse got to. I was wondering why it was missing from the final episode.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I've just seen it happen at my polling station. Apparently this time EU citizens had to fill out a special form to say they weren't going to vote in their home country. It seems like they weren't told they had to fill the form out or something? Why did they change the rules?

I've heard & read various reports about this happening, none have mentioned there has been any changes in the rules. They are blaming administrative errors by some local councils in respect of lack of communication, not getting the forms out in time and/or not processing returned ones in time, it seems like a cock-up because the election was called so late.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Just been reading that loads of Ex-pats also lost out of voting in the UK, because their postal ballots didn't arrive in time, or not at all.

British expats FURIOUS as delayed postal votes DENY right to vote - 'Angry and upset'

 

[friedaweed]

Just been reading that loads of Ex-pats also lost out of voting in the UK, because their postal ballots didn't arrive in time, or not at all.

British expats FURIOUS as delayed postal votes DENY right to vote - 'Angry and upset'

dessiato are you 'Angry and Upset' chief?