European Elections 2019

[cupid_stunt]

I going out on a limb here, but that looks to me like a country divided.

The spread across the polling companies is ridiculous. Someone has totally fucked this one up, and I hope it's yougov.

SpackleFrog is going to be very happy if yougov has it right, their bet is on Brexit getting between 35-40%, I wish I had put a bet on now.

 

[killer b]

SpackleFrog is going to be very happy if yougov has it right, their bet is on Brexit getting between 35-40%, I wish I had put a bet on now.

this is mainly why I want them to be wrong tbf.

 

[SpackleFrog]

SpackleFrog is going to be very happy if yougov has it right, their bet is on Brexit getting between 35-40%, I wish I had put a bet on now.

I mean, I won't be happy about the result but I'll be happy about being both right and richer.

 

[SpackleFrog]

this is mainly why I want them to be wrong tbf.

It's a sad little world you live in comrade x

 

[killer b]

Can't have you being right after so long being wrong. it wouldn't do.

 

[chilango]

The Tories don't seem to be trying, has anyone actually had an election address from them?

I've only had the ones delivered by the Royal Mail for free* from the Brexit Party, Labour, Green & today UKIP, plus a separate hand delivered one from the Greens.

* Only the BP & UKIP went to the trouble of personally addressing them.

Nothing from the LibDems, Chuckle UK or the Tories.

Less surprising nothing from the Socialist Party of Great Britain, UK European Union Party or any of the three independents standing in the SE region.

Nevermind no leaflet, the Squeegees don't even mention it on their own website

 

[SpackleFrog]

Can't have you being right after so long being wrong. it wouldn't do.

Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, that's the fun of predictions - try it sometime!

 

[killer b]

I'm going to say brexit 30-35, labour 20-25, lib dems 15-20, tories 10-15, greens 10. SNP will clean up in Scotland, PC will do ok in wales. Everyone else will get nowhere.

 

[MickiQ]

So far, we've had leaflets from Brexit, UKIP, LibDems and Labour, all of them frankly pathetic in quality. The regular flyers we get off Dominos are of a much higher standard and more actual use.
My son has had a "personally" addressed letter from Cable (he wasn't even sure who Cable was) and last night we had an actual visit from 2 Kippers going door to door. I didn't actually speak to them myself, my daughter answered the door and sent them packing. They would have been wasting their time with her not only does she despise them and their ilk, she's only 17 and can't vote.

 

[chilango]

We've also had some soi dissant "hard Remainers" leafleting door to door and in town calling for a Green/LibDem/ChUK vote.

Check out the last three points in their flyer

 

[gentlegreen]

Only Labour, LibDem and Green leaflets - no one else would bother around here.

A Green chap called the other day and probably thought he was onto something because of the EU flag in the window and an uncommitted call to "VOTE" - I also have a fairly unique garden.
I spotted him on the CCTV, but I'm essentially bed-bound at the moment.

In retrospect I was glad not to answer the door because I'd just been searching Molly Scott-Cato's expressed stance on GM and glyphosate - and along with her ignorant glee, one of the first hits featured her meeting with a Glastonbury councillor with #STOP5G in his post.
It's difficult to actually dislike the Greens, but I can't stomach their unscientific populist dog whistle baggage.

 

[Dogsauce]

Another pile of Lib Dem leaflets in the communal hallway. Another swift trip to the recycling bin.

 

[kenny g]

Only Labour, LibDem and Green leaflets - no one else would bother around here.

A Green chap called the other day and probably thought he was onto something because of the EU flag in the window and an uncommitted call to "VOTE" - I also have a fairly unique garden.
I spotted him on the CCTV, but I'm essentially bed-bound at the moment.

In retrospect I was glad not to answer the door because I'd just been searching Molly Scott-Cato's expressed stance on GM and glyphosate - and along with her ignorant glee, one of the first hits featured her meeting with a Glastonbury councillor with #STOP5G in his post.
It's difficult to actually dislike the Greens, but I can't stomach their unscientific populist dog whistle baggage.

Must agree. Love the idea but seem to generally be everything I cant stand.

 

[Dogsauce]

Daft thing is most of the concerns of the green movement are backed by pretty solid science, but they spoil it all by indulging new-age gnomes that spout bollocks about homeopathy etc.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Daft thing is most of the concerns of the green movement are backed by pretty solid science, but they spoil it all by indulging new-age gnomes that spout bollocks about homeopathy etc.

Aye that's one of my barriers to em, I'm also pro-nuclear.

 

[co-op]

Aye that's one of my barriers to em, I'm also pro-nuclear.

Why would you be pro-nuclear?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Why would you be pro-nuclear?

Necessary evil, it's shit but we're not at the point renewables can be used for everything.

It's that or coal and gas.

 

[co-op]

Necessary evil, it's shit but we're not at the point renewables can be used for everything.

It's that or coal and gas.

It's obviously OT but the problem is that nuclear isn't going to solve the climate problem.

1. It takes too long to install (e.g. Olkiluoto in Finland, meant to help Finland meet its obligations under Kyoto which expired in 2010, still not generating a single thing and not going to do so for many years, Flamanville same story, same everywhere, always, the construction record is beyond awful).

2. It's neither renewable nor zero-carbon, hence the weasely rebrand that it's "low carbon". That all depends on what you count and also on variables that change according to what other people do (eg the carbon cost of mining and milling uranium varies according to what global demand is since that affects what level of ore needs to be mined and milled - 0.02% richness just about makes a positive EROEI but needs a fuck load of carbon to dig it out and crush it and transport it). Clean gas is almost as low CO2 as nuclear but is far more versatile and quick to construct.

3. Nuclear energy is phenomenally expensive and cannot possibly power the global economy - see the recent strike price of £92.50 Mw/h granted to EDF for the White Elephant they are desperately trying to keep alive at Hinckley (wind farms coming in at under £60 now, everyone knows this will fall). We're going to be paying out for Hinckley for 35 inflation-indexed years. This is why not a single nuclear power station ever, anywhere in the world has ever been built by private money - it just ain't going to turn a profit, it can't. It's just about the most expensive way of making electricity that anyone's managed to come up with.

4. Construction of nuclear destroys the construction of renewables, partly by soaking up extraordinary resources (see 3 above) partly by taking over wholesale the baseload function (ie the steady background demand for power) that is best suited for renewables. You basically can't have both, you have to choose.

There has been a desperate scramble over the past 10 years to rebrand nuclear as "green"; it isn't. It's a fantastically wealthy bunch of shysters and wankers forming a powerful vested interest with an extraordinary history of success at getting its snout into the public trough for fuck all tangible benefit to anyone outside its guilded halls. Don't be suckered.

 

[Dogsauce]

Nuclear is political - it’s energy security. You can stockpile a few years worth of fuel fairly easily. Not something you can do with gas. That’s what I presume the motivation is, alongside rewarding certain interests for the construction phase.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Leaflets from Tories, Labour, Green, UKIP, Brexit Party and English Democrats

 

[krink]

Fuck it, it's almost Thursday and the day I'm having I might not be here tomorrow so here's my vote for this election

 

[brogdale]

Fuck it, it's almost Thursday and the day I'm having I might not be here tomorrow so here's my vote for this election View attachment 171818

Hope tomorrow's a better day.
btw...that's the fucking Sistine chapel of spoiling; seriously impressed.

 

[bemused]

I'm voting Green, they seem a nice bunch and the others have exhausted my goodwill.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I'm going to say brexit 30-35, labour 20-25, lib dems 15-20, tories 10-15, greens 10. SNP will clean up in Scotland, PC will do ok in wales. Everyone else will get nowhere.

That's not what you really think will happen you just don't want to be right!

 

[killer b]

I think it's probably going to be somewhere in those ranges. What do you think I think?

 

[SpackleFrog]

I think it's probably going to be somewhere in those ranges. What do you think I think?

I think you think I'm right

 

[Gerry1time]

In retrospect I was glad not to answer the door because I'd just been searching Molly Scott-Cato's expressed stance on GM and glyphosate - and along with her ignorant glee, one of the first hits featured her meeting with a Glastonbury councillor with #STOP5G in his post.
It's difficult to actually dislike the Greens, but I can't stomach their unscientific populist dog whistle baggage.

Ironically I was carefully putting the recycling out earlier when a green canvasser came up our street. They said 'Are you a green party member then?' to which I instinctively replied 'No, sorry, we believe in science in this household'. Because we do. A massive shame really, I support so much of what they stand for, but they allow in too much of the batshit crazy fringe for me to be able to give my vote to them.

 

[Dogsauce]

The number of people sharing that ‘remainvoter’ site on my Facebook is depressing. LibDems will always sell you out.

 

[8ball]

I figured I’d vote Labour because that’s probably what the Tories want least.

The other option, to my mind,
is voting Green...

 

[Dogsauce]

& tactical voting is more or less pointless, the only way this election is going to be interpreted is based on the percentages each party receives nationally, seats won’t matter in how this is reported and the consequences thereof.