England Cricket 2023
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Buttler and Malan currently both on 98 off 104 balls with 6 4's and 4 6's. 
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Buttler and Malan currently both on 98 off 104 balls with 6 4's and 4 6's.
And now Archer gets a fivefer
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Make that a 6fer
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Wood is a very good bowler but he doesn’t have the skill, variation and boldness of Archer. Wood would get into most teams but Archer will be remembered as one of the great bowlers.
littlebabyjesus
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It's an interesting point. Assuming everyone is fit, who plays in the Ashes? Assuming it's typical English conditions so only one spinner is needed, how many quicks do you pick without creating a very waggly tail? Robinson has to play. Anderson? On recent form, unless something changes, he has to play. Wood? On recent form he has to play. If Stokes is fit to bowl, you don't need (or want - as that already has Wood at 8) any more bowlers than that.
In reality, one or more will probably be unfit for any given match. Wood won't last five tests anyway, especially with the World Cup following. So Wood and Archer will be rationed for the World Cup, as will Anderson cos he's ancient. That rotation will probably do it. No place for Broad in there unless there are injuries. Barring injuries, the likes of Mahmood, Potts, Stone, etc, will also have to bide their time. Does Woakes come into the equation in English conditions? His record in England is fantastic and he can bat.
And now Fisher's in the wickets in Sri Lanka as well. I can't remember such depth in fast bowling - they could choose two completely different bowling line-ups that I'd be pretty happy with.
In reality, one or more will probably be unfit for any given match. Wood won't last five tests anyway, especially with the World Cup following. So Wood and Archer will be rationed for the World Cup, as will Anderson cos he's ancient. That rotation will probably do it. No place for Broad in there unless there are injuries. Barring injuries, the likes of Mahmood, Potts, Stone, etc, will also have to bide their time. Does Woakes come into the equation in English conditions? His record in England is fantastic and he can bat.
And now Fisher's in the wickets in Sri Lanka as well. I can't remember such depth in fast bowling - they could choose two completely different bowling line-ups that I'd be pretty happy with.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Along with Nortje, Wood is the fastest bowler on the planet right now (there's a young Pakistani tyro whose name escapes me who is up there as well, but he hasn't played tests yet - eta his name is Umran Malik). Wood was probably England's best bowler in the Ashes in Aus, he was great in Pakistan, and since his breakthrough performance in 2019 in West Indies, his stats are excellent - 60 wickets at 25.
He won't play more than three out of five games tops anyway. And they probably won't want to push Archer to more than two or three games either given that both of them will be pencilled in for the World Cup, so those two could alternate. This time around, hopefully they will have learned their lesson with Archer and will use him in short, sharp spells. He should never bowl 20 overs in the day again.
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planetgeli
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In an otherwise thoughtful intelligent post. these are two big subjective statements. You've always bigged up Wood and played down Broad (usually) to a massive extent. You were down on Anderson too until quite recently.
But this bit I'll kind of agree with.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Broad has surprised me by surviving as long as he has, I will admit that, as he doesn't quite have the skills to make up for losing pace that Anderson has. But I think he would have lost his place by now if it hadn't been for the spate of injuries. He was good in the last Ashes, and I'm pretty sure I posted on here that I was surprised when he was dropped for WI last year. I thought the bowlers were being blamed for the failure of the batters, as often happens. He had a good year last year, having had a lean couple of years before that. But his magic spells, when he kicks up his knees and pumps his elbows and suddenly bowls a yard faster, haven't happened for a while.
So yeah, if everyone is fit, I don't see him playing. But it's very unlikely everyone will be fit. I put him ahead of a few others in that post still.
So yeah, if everyone is fit, I don't see him playing. But it's very unlikely everyone will be fit. I put him ahead of a few others in that post still.
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Do think Anderson should call it a day after the Ashes though. He's keeping a couple of long-term prospects out of the side atm.
littlebabyjesus
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There's a long break after the Ashes. Fifth test ends on 31 July and that's it until Jan 2024, when England go to India. So that's a six month gap, which is a long time for England. But he's really good in India, one of the best ever of foreign fast bowlers, up there with Marshall, so who knows?
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Broad will probably play when Anderson is rested during a quickfire Ashes to maintain a wise old old new ball campaigner in the team.
Woakes will be the No. 8 replacement if Robinson breaks down. Same for young Ahmed for Leach and Wood for Archer.
1st XI
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8. Robinson
9. Archer
10. Leach
11. Anderson
2nd XI
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8. Woakes
9. Wood
10. Ahmed
11. Broad
Woakes will be the No. 8 replacement if Robinson breaks down. Same for young Ahmed for Leach and Wood for Archer.
1st XI
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8. Robinson
9. Archer
10. Leach
11. Anderson
2nd XI
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8. Woakes
9. Wood
10. Ahmed
11. Broad
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..or for the romance of having Broad and Anderson one last series, paired with searing pace.
8. Wood
9. Broad
10. Archer
11. Anderson
8. Wood
9. Broad
10. Archer
11. Anderson
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“the game has democratised” No Andrew, the polyarchy just has a couple more Barons at the table.
"As we move forward together as a game with players of different genders, races, creeds and beliefs coming together, so the traditional macho, hierarchical, perhaps at times verging on 'bullying' dressing room banter will need to be softened to a culture that is more tolerant, understanding, welcoming and embracing of difference,"
”need to be softened” So, being racist is hard? If you don’t want discrimination you’re soft?
What a surprise this former Tory MP wannabe has such enlightened views.
"As we move forward together as a game with players of different genders, races, creeds and beliefs coming together, so the traditional macho, hierarchical, perhaps at times verging on 'bullying' dressing room banter will need to be softened to a culture that is more tolerant, understanding, welcoming and embracing of difference,"
”need to be softened” So, being racist is hard? If you don’t want discrimination you’re soft?
What a surprise this former Tory MP wannabe has such enlightened views.
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Wood will play. Baz has a policy of loyalty. Broad will be confined to the commentary box (where's very adept anyway). Wood can also score you 30-40 runs at a very healthy strike rate which is right in line with the new policy.
If I was Archer I'd stick to white ball cricket from here on in. He can make £1m for 6 weeks work in India. Bowling 4 overs a game. No brainer.
If I was Archer I'd stick to white ball cricket from here on in. He can make £1m for 6 weeks work in India. Bowling 4 overs a game. No brainer.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Archer has been shown big loyalty by England. They kept him fully contracted despite the injury. Presumably that has come after assurances that he wants to play tests. He can still do ipl on top of that - plenty of bowlers do.
I think you underestimate the desire players have to play tests. Wood could have become a white ball specialist but hasn't. Bumrah wants a test legacy. Both of them have iffy fitness records. Luckily there are still plenty of fast bowlers willing to put themselves up for all formats.
What is now needed is rationing. You don't play every game even if you're fit. You skip the odd tour. You peak for when it matters.
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I think this is likely to have to become the case anyway for player welfare reasons tbh, with the increased medical knowledge and understanding of the impacts coming out. It's not a normal acceptable part of someone's day to day job to suffer stress fractures of the back is it? If it emerges that there are any longer term effects of that I'd expect to see the sort of legal cases a lot of contact sports are having around concussions.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Shaun Tait did that. I was lucky enough to see him in the Blast. Serious wheels. But he'll never have the legacy of a Brett Lee or a Shoaib Akhtar because he didn't do it in test matches.
I don't blame players for doing it, but I'm glad that most don't. I wouldn't. I would have grown up dreaming of playing test matches at Lord's or the G, not t20 blast in Uxbridge (where I saw Tait).
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He could easily have 10 years in him yet. As mentioned, he’s not a one trick pony, he could get enough wickets bowling mid 80s. He’s a quick learner and keen to implement new skills. Have faith, there’s a lot more Jofra to come.
littlebabyjesus
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Outsude of the ipl, I wouldn't overstate the glamour of the t20 circuit either. There are so many leagues now that two or three can be going at the same time. That dilutes the quality and we're starting to see dwindling crowds - big bash crowds are well down, and if you look at the lineups you don't see many star names. Today's semi-final is a case in point.
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Plus it’s not just the draw of test cricket, it’s the Stokes and Baz team that I can imagine most players around the world wouldn’t mind being part of.
How much more time will this fucking lying idiot be given while he continues his lucrative speaking tour? Do you all honestly believe that all of these people, Vaughan, Root, Bresnan, Adiil Rashid, the list goes on, are lying?
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