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Magnificent Jimmy Anderson. :cool:

Reverse swing specialist for this tour perhaps.

Some dross from Bess, has to be said. The spinners have been a bit inconsistent, but it won't matter in the end.
 
Treat to watch Kohli bat. He'll make huge runs somewhere this series.

Leach now bowling beautifully. Buttler keeping beautifully as well. Nearly there...
 
Could be some interesting selection issues.

Foakes in for Buttler we know.

Do they rotate the seamers? I wouldn't. I still want Archer's pace but I definitely want Anderson's reverse. Brilliant idea holding him back today until the ball was ready.

And fifth day wearing pitch. You want to be trusted with more than 8 overs. Leach stepped up today. Bess didn't.

If Crawley's fit does he come in for Lawrence?

But they won. Probably don't want to change too much.
 
Great performance all round. A big first innings score is the key really isn't it and is what England have struggled with over the last few years, keep getting those and they'll be very hard to beat. Series set up very nicely now.

They still should have declared a bit earlier though. :p
 
50 caps in (not all behind the stumps admittedly) do we now finally think Buttler is a test keeper? He's done really well over the last few, including a lot of standing up to the stumps.

Surely Anderson plays the next one in form like this. Broad's rightly been pissed off about rotation before and he was almost certainly expecting to play, but it can't be a difficult conversation to say "Sorry Stuart, can't leave Jimmy out of this one".
 
In thinking about whether it not you should change a winning team, I would consider this: remove Root and would it have gone this way? Was it really a strong team victory it was it Root and (some of) the bowlers?
 
In thinking about whether it not you should change a winning team, I would consider this: remove Root and would it have gone this way? Was it really a strong team victory it was it Root and (some of) the bowlers?

Sibley's long and slow 80ish and Stokes' attacking 80ish also contributed heavily. Root was just serene, but scoring high 500s was not a one man effort. India didn't get past our first innings total remember.
 
Excellent win, you score 500 (not 400) and that extra pressure usually tells. Toss was as important as anything, we'd have really struggled batting second, but we did everything right batting first.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Anderson and Broad in for the 2nd, give Jofra a rest, everyone's happy. Minor quibble but good grief Bess bowled a load of dross in 8 overs. That's a bit worrying when you're down as the possible match-winner. Good for Leach he didn't crumple.

Buttler kept excellently, shame to see him go but I'm sure Foakes is itching to show what he can do (again).

Not sure Crawley is ready yet? In which case the batting won't change.

Anderson changed the flow with that spell. You can't drop him.

Win the toss on Saturday and who knows what is possible.
 
50 caps in (not all behind the stumps admittedly) do we now finally think Buttler is a test keeper? He's done really well over the last few, including a lot of standing up to the stumps.
My answer to that has to be yes. Three tests in Asian conditions and he didn't put a glove wrong. Above all, he's looked relaxed, not going at the ball, not snatching. We were purring about Foakes because of three tests in Asian conditions, so fair's fair to do likewise for Buttler.
 
Bess might have bowled like a drain in the 2nd innings, but he was excellent in the first. It would be foolish to drop him now.

I think there is no good reason to make any changes except the anticipated Buttler/Foakes swap. Bowlers had a relatively easy match in terms of long days in the field and overs.
 
They've certainly invested a lot in Bess now, first last summer and now this winter, so he's got the match practice and experience. Plus he is a decent bat. But failing to turn up on the final day isn't great. By contrast, Leach looked every bit a test bowler today, and he came back well after being taken apart by Pant.

Bess's figures so far this winter have flattered him a bit. I think even he would admit that. Question is is that investment going to pay off? Not like Moeen's exactly trustworthy either. So yes, my guess is they will stick with Bess, but he's got to be one bad match away from making way for Moeen.
 
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Bess is young and spinners need time to develop their game. England have done well in recent decades showing faith in players and giving them a proper run, against the backdrop of media and fan demands for constant changes and tweaks.
 
A great win for England. To think it wasn't that long ago we were talking about how difficult it is to win test matches in foreign countries and England have now won 5 or 6 on the bounce. Combine that with India winning in Oz and you'd have to stay Test cricket is in a good place at the moment (in some quarters anyway).

A very good toss to win but the importance of going big in that first innings couldn't have been more stark. Watching Root & Sibley bat on a day 1 pitch compared to what happened today on day 5. It may as well been a different game. India were never really in this test and time will tell whether it was just a bit of a hangover from Oz or whether they have more structural problems, likely the former. That being said to my mind they really missed a second top spinner in this game and there are lingering doubts whether the right guy has the captain's armband.

As for England the only real decision to make is the choice of seamers. With the w/k decision already made and it not making the batting any stronger (on paper at least) I cannot see them dropping a batsman for a bowler. Beside they've just bowled India out twice with time to spare and you don't really need the third seamer when you have Stokes.

I don't think they will rest Archer but I wouldn't be surprised if Broad comes in for Anderson. This is an England set-up that puts plans in place and generally sticks to them and backs themselves to execute. We saw that with the non-declaration of the evening of the 4th day. It wouldn't surprise me if the plan had always be to bring Broad in and just rotate the two. Anderson has broken down a couple of times recently and its not like Broad doesn't deserve his place in the team.

There is a lot of cricket to come this year...
 
Bess is young and spinners need time to develop their game. England have done well in recent decades showing faith in players and giving them a proper run, against the backdrop of media and fan demands for constant changes and tweaks.
I think I would stick with him for the next match, but I'm not a fan of the idea of giving players time to develop their game at test match level. Isn't that what first class cricket is for? Eg Graeme Swann made his test debut in his late 20s and was the real deal pretty much straight away.

At test level, imo, you pick your best players and ignore age largely. If they're young and they're not quite performing, they always have time to come back later.
 
England's spinners are a bit of an enigma at the moment. They both looked undercooked in Sri Lanka which was hardly surprising. Leach looks the more complete of the two but his record in the 2nd innings is miles better than the 1st which is interesting. Also Bess got 4-fer in the 1st innings here whilst Leach was going round the park.

England clearly like Bess as he offers a more complete package but I agree there are questions about whether he is international standard at this stage of his career and he has some real off days, like today. It was set-up perfectly for him today and he served up a load of dross. I get the feeling he is a real confidence bowler.

We have to play 2 spinners though and we've talked enough about Ali over the last few years.
 
Bess largely burgled his 4-fer and Leach suffered a pre-mediated attack from Pant, he didn't bowl that badly. And he came back well.

One thing I like about Bess is he seems to have supreme confidence. Unfortunately it's not always matched by results. Not sure you can get lucky forever and you sure can't bowl like he did today and get away with it. He was terrible. But what would it say and do to him to drop him? I think he has to play the second test and we all have to cross our fingers for him. He is only 23. He surely will improve. Just can't afford for him to go too far backwards in one game, one innings, like he did today.

Leach after the assault. 40-9-101-6
 
I don't think they will rest Archer but I wouldn't be surprised if Broad comes in for Anderson. This is an England set-up that puts plans in place and generally sticks to them and backs themselves to execute. We saw that with the non-declaration of the evening of the 4th day. It wouldn't surprise me if the plan had always be to bring Broad in and just rotate the two. Anderson has broken down a couple of times recently and its not like Broad doesn't deserve his place in the team.
One consideration is the pink ball game, which I think is the third test? Definitely want Archer in for that one, I would think. The plan was no doubt to rotate Anderson and Broad for the first two tests, but you've got to be flexible. It might even be tempting to rest Archer for the next one and keep him fresh for the pink ball test. But I would go with Archer and Anderson again. They weren't bowled into the ground this match.

Anyhow, this is a good problem to have. There's no real right answer.
 
Bess largely burgled his 4-fer and Leach suffered a pre-mediated attack from Pant, he didn't bowl that badly. And he came back well.

One thing I like about Bess is he seems to have supreme confidence. Unfortunately it's not always matched by results. Not sure you can get lucky forever and you sure can't bowl like he did today and get away with it. He was terrible. But what would it say and do to him to drop him? I think he has to play the second test and we all have to cross our fingers for him. He is only 23. He surely will improve. Just can't afford for him to go too far backwards in one game, one innings, like he did today.

Leach after the assault. 40-9-101-6
Yep. Of the two, Leach is the better bowler at the moment. And on another day, Pant will spoon one to a fielder sooner rather than later. I like Pant and I'd encourage him always to play like that, but he was full-on t20 mode against Leach, and we know from t20 that that only comes off about one in every three times, even for the best t20 players. Pant gambled by playing like that and Root gambled by keeping Leach on. On that occasion, Pant won. He won't win every time, and of course Root doesn't have to accept the bet. He can whisk Leach off.
 
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I think I would stick with him for the next match, but I'm not a fan of the idea of giving players time to develop their game at test match level. Isn't that what first class cricket is for? Eg Graeme Swann made his test debut in his late 20s and was the real deal pretty much straight away.

At test level, imo, you pick your best players and ignore age largely. If they're young and they're not quite performing, they always have time to come back later.
You have described the traditional 1st class cricket to test relationship of year's past. I think with central contacts it's a different dynamic. Players are brought in young and trained into the role.
 
Anderson has had the pink ball swinging from off stump at Old Trafford to leg at Headingley, he has to play that 3rd test.
 
You have described the traditional 1st class cricket to test relationship of year's past. I think with central contacts it's a different dynamic. Players are brought in young and trained into the role.
Well I guess the problem is that spinners haven't emerged through county cricket since Swann really, except for Bess and Leach at Ciderabad, a pitch for which Somerset get way too much stick. And it wasn't a coincidence that both Swann and Panesar came through at Northampton. Most counties don't give much space for spinners, or if they do it is to an overseas player like Harmer or Jeetan Patel. Even Moeen learned on the job in tests - and he was picked because there really wasn't anybody else at that point.
 
Well I guess the problem is that spinners haven't emerged through county cricket since Swann really, except for Bess and Leach at Ciderabad, a pitch for which Somerset get way too much stick. And it wasn't a coincidence that both Swann and Panesar came through at Northampton. Most counties don't give much space for spinners, or if they do it is to an overseas player like Harmer or Jeetan Patel. Even Moeen learned on the job in tests - and he was picked because there really wasn't anybody else at that point.

Even Moeen himself expressed surprise at being picked by England as a test spinner IIRC. He thought he was an opening batsman.
 
Even Moeen himself expressed surprise at being picked by England as a test spinner IIRC. He thought he was an opening batsman.
Is Moeen a batsman who bowls a bit or a bowler who bats a bit? That's always been the unresolved question. He started out as the former and ended up as the latter. But it seems he can only ever be one or the other - his form with the bat mostly coincided with barren spells with ball, and vice versa. Was he ever a genuine allrounder? Not quite, I would say, maybe briefly in the middle, but he had glorious moments with both bat and ball at different times. It's been an odd career.
 
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Is Moeen a batsman who bowls a bit or a bowler who bats a bit? That's always been the unresolved question. He started out as the former and ended up as the latter. But it seems he can only ever be one or the other - his form with the bat mostly coincided with barren spells with ball, and vice versa. Was he ever a genuine allrounder? Not quite, I would say.

He's the only player ever to get 250 runs and 25 wickets in a four match test series. Just saying.
 
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