SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
England and NZ both exactly 350 all out, when was the last time that happened?
England Cricket 2015
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Matches/MatchScoresLevelOnFirstInnings.asp
2003 between WI and Australia apparently. This is the 8th time it has happened (although one was a declaration so I don't think that really counts.)
Actually both times there the declaration was by the team batting first.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
None of those count, because the question was when did both teams score 350........
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
None of those count, because the question was when did both teams score 350........
Well spotted that man, the correct answer is 'never'.
Lots of rain forecast though, so your "weather permitting" may well be the decisive factor.
Who knows in this topsy-turvy series, mind?
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
True. I like the NZ side, very positive, well-organised and drilled, good fielding as well as batting and bowling well. Much to admire.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
NZ odds on sure. But they can chase down 400+. Why not? Records are there to be broken, especially records for 4th innings chases. This kind of big chase with potentially lots of time to do it in doesn't get set up very often.
This list is illustrative of that, I think - a list of highest 4th innings totals. You have to go a fair way down - to WI - to find a win. Third in the list, SA against India two years ago - I watched the end of that on tv and I was amazed that they didn't go for it at the end. Think they were winning the series anyway so went ultra risk-averse. 458 to win, nearly got it and really should have got it. Top one is an anomaly as it was from a 'timeless test' that was famously halted as England had to catch a boat home.
This list is illustrative of that, I think - a list of highest 4th innings totals. You have to go a fair way down - to WI - to find a win. Third in the list, SA against India two years ago - I watched the end of that on tv and I was amazed that they didn't go for it at the end. Think they were winning the series anyway so went ultra risk-averse. 458 to win, nearly got it and really should have got it. Top one is an anomaly as it was from a 'timeless test' that was famously halted as England had to catch a boat home.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
That's a nice list, especially this:
WI 408/5 target 836 draw v England Kingston 3 Apr 1930 Test # 193.
Fancy being set 836?!?
400+ from England? Nah.
WI 408/5 target 836 draw v England Kingston 3 Apr 1930 Test # 193.
Fancy being set 836?!?
400+ from England? Nah.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Timeless tests. 
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Bonfirelight
Crocodile
I fancy england to plod along to 350-5 by stumps tomorrow.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Just 411 to go now and the first new ball nearly seen off.455 to win. Time to pray for rain.
Real shame it's raining. Kiwis deserve a decent go at victory here, and England could have got home...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Gonna be windy as a cunt tomorrow, wouldn't fancy batting to save the game in that.
I still shake my fist at the sky when I think of that Durban Test. We would have got those runs
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
All over bar the shouting now, well done the kiwis.
Bell's place in the side is looking a bit dodgy. James Taylor waiting in the wings...
Bell's place in the side is looking a bit dodgy. James Taylor waiting in the wings...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
His mind's clearly gone. It's not just the scores, but the manner of the dismissals, and of course the series of dropped catches. He's had a total shocker this match and last.
And this is a long-term slump now. Since the end of the summer Ashes 2013, he's averaging under 30 in his last 17 tests.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
He's been in the side longer than anyone else and deserves a lot of credit for what he's achieved, but keeping him in the team when he's not performing is not going to do him any favours.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
One of my little grumbles. I do understand that the nature of batting - potentially two mistakes in a match and you're done for - means that you have to give batsmen the chance to play through dips, but if that were a bowler, he'd have been dropped more than a year ago. Steven Finn was deemed unselectable because his mind had gone. Is Bell really selectable at the moment?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Either way, it's really bowlers who matter most. This is where we're at post-Graeme Swann - middling. Lost to SL at home, beat India at home, drew with WI away, look like drawing with NZ at home. Not awful, not great, and with a Swann-shaped hole in the middle of the team.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Right, 50 overs left, chaps. This would be a famous draw now.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Moeen fancies an early tea instead.
Arse
England going get tanked by the aussies this summer !Arse
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
I think you're right.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
England are certainly living up to the promised change of approach here. They're in danger of being all out before using up all their overs but they're already close to the sorts of scores they've been scoring (and claiming to be pleased with) for the last few years. Maybe they've finally spotted what the rest of the world has been doing.
