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Coffeecup said:
He was so hyped up he forgot himself and showed his true colours I think. All the evidence of his support for the extreme right is there in black and white. Tesla shareholders will be worried. He’s dangerous.
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That his response to criticism was "oh again with the nazi stuff yawn" suggests to me that this was a deliberate attempt to push the boundaries of what is acceptable.
 
Rimbaud said:
That his response to criticism was "oh again with the nazi stuff yawn" suggests to me that this was a deliberate attempt to push the boundaries of what is acceptable.
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He has literally adopted trolling as a lifestyle choice and 24/7 posting style

The idea this wasn’t a Nazi salute just to Own The Libs and be a troll is baffling

It was a Nazi salute, he knew what he was doing, and peoples indignation and inability to do anything about it was very much the point, as anyone familiar with online trolls knows
 
BigTom said:
Elon has regressed into his teenage 4 chan edgelord days. Can't you see why he would enjoy seig heiling at the inauguration in a semi-deniable way to rile up the normies / own the libs / just troll generally? I'm sure he is loving especially the ADL and Netenyahu's repsonse to this - "lol, look at how I got these Jews to defend me sieg heiling at the inauguration".

I just don't understand how anyone can watch what he did and dismiss this as anything other than a deliberate seig heil.
I don't think he did it because he's a nazi but because he's a dick and it makes him giggle that he is getting away with such a transgressive gesture on such a massive occassion.
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Yeah, I can see that argument, I just don’t think that’s what it was. Since we are all fortunate enough not to be inside Elon’s head, we will likely never know for sure.
 
editor said:
And what's also been well argued is the context in the shape of his support for far right wing groups.
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And there was also more direct context of him saying that his heart goes out to the crowd, as he touched his heart and thrust his arm awkwardly outwards. Neither your point nor mine proves anything beyond doubt, this is all a matter of opinion.
 
Rimbaud said:
That his response to criticism was "oh again with the nazi stuff yawn" suggests to me that this was a deliberate attempt to push the boundaries of what is acceptable.
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Exactly. He’s pushing those boundaries on X and as long as he gets away with it, he’ll go further. There doesn’t seem any law to stop him and he knows it. His influence reaches far and wide and shouldn’t be ignored.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
I think the thing is 'less bad' isn't enough. You need to actually offer something that speaks to the interests of the people you're expecting to vote for you and the Democrats have massively failed to do that. You (general 'you' not you you) might think 'less bad' should be enough, particularly in the face of someone like Trump, and I can see that argument of course, but the fact is it's not is it. As has been well demonstrated by now.
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Oh, no, absolutely. For the record, I also think "less bad" isn't good enough.

In that instance, it was more in the context of "treating both sides the same".

I don't think most (any?) of us are treating them the same, unless you abstract it all the way to simply "they're bad, and they're also bad". In which case, sure, I'm treating them both the same, I guess.

I'd not be happy with a (current) Labour/Dem government. I'd be even less happy with a(ny) Tory/Rep government.

Up to each individual as to whether that's treating them the same (not happy with either) or differently (less happy with one than the other).
 
MrCurry said:
And there was also more direct context of him saying that his heart goes out to the crowd, as he touched his heart and thrust his arm awkwardly outwards. Neither your point nor mine proves anything beyond doubt, this is all a matter of opinion.
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Beyond the things in the vid that Ed posted up, if this was the case, then surely there'd be examples of other people doing seig heil's by accident... but there isn't, and what the vid showed was the pictures people have pulled out of obama/clinton/harris appearing to seig heil but when you see the video there's absolutely no question or possibility of that being what it was.
And if it was, why not apologise and explain? Why make these cringy edgelord jokes?

nah, he knew what he was doing and that sentence would provide enough cover to be able to neither confirm nor deny and keep snickering away at the reactions he's causing.
 
magneze said:
70% of Americans do not approve of Musk in government

www.theguardian.com

Trump to address largest US anti-abortion rally; most Americans don’t approve of Elon Musk’s ‘department’ – live

President’s speech to come day after he pardoned 23 anti-abortion; poll finds only one-third of US adults have a favorable view of Musk
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

There might be a bit of a problem being unpopular under a populist president.
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A third of the US population has a favourable view of Musk? :eek: :(
 
BigTom said:
Beyond the things in the vid that Ed posted up, if this was the case, then surely there'd be examples of other people doing seig heil's by accident... but there isn't, and what the vid showed was the pictures people have pulled out of obama/clinton/harris appearing to seig heil but when you see the video there's absolutely no question or possibility of that being what it was.
And if it was, why not apologise and explain? Why make these cringy edgelord jokes?

nah, he knew what he was doing and that sentence would provide enough cover to be able to neither confirm nor deny and keep snickering away at the reactions he's causing.
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He knew what he was doing. It seems to have a long tradition in the maga lunatic world. Does anyone remember when that Fox troll Laura Ingraham did the same thing? She was at some huge rally, and did the same, and her brother has called her out consistently for being a fascist, Nazi loving pos. I think their dad was one too. She got away with it, so obviously the richest man in the world has no problem doing the same.

It was at the RNC apparently.

 
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BigTom said:
Beyond the things in the vid that Ed posted up, if this was the case, then surely there'd be examples of other people doing seig heil's by accident... but there isn't, and what the vid showed was the pictures people have pulled out of obama/clinton/harris appearing to seig heil but when you see the video there's absolutely no question or possibility of that being what it was.
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We’ve got a thread of 400 pages with plenty of reasons why judging Elon by normal standards of behaviour isn’t a good idea, nor is saying that other people don’t do that unintentionally , so Elon can’t have done. He doesn’t act normally.

Judge him by his own weird standards and by those, expressing his affection in a way that looks like a seig heil isn’t impossible.

BigTom said:
And if it was, why not apologise and explain? Why make these cringy edgelord jokes?

nah, he knew what he was doing and that sentence would provide enough cover to be able to neither confirm nor deny and keep snickering away at the reactions he's causing.
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Ok, you saw it one way and most on this thread seem to agree with you. I saw it another and I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. I don’t think there’s much more to say
 
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