Far left or liberal?
I don't buy this line. Trump's election in 2016 wasn't based on these things. It was more to do with a feeling that there was a political elite that didn't give a fuck about certain groups who felt they were struggling - combined with a big vote from the rich who just wanted tax cuts. It will be much the same people voting for Trump now as voted for him in 2016 and 2020. And there are plenty of 'traditional' r/w reasons why they might do so - he cut taxes on the rich when in power, he slashed environmental legislation, he promoted ultra-conservative judges leading to the overturning of Roe vs Wade. His achievements from a traditionally conservative point of view were considerable, so why not have him in again to do more of the same?Not at all. Some of this is stuff out of control in the US. People's careers have been destroyed for questioning whether someone with a penis and testicles might not be a woman. The lengths to which affirmative action has been taken in some cases politically and commercially is questioned by many. It goes on.
I'm not going to get in to either a race or gender discussion but the point is that far left attitudes have pissed people off in the US to the extent that they're now going the other way and electing a rapey racist as their President.
Too true, and not forgetting all those liberal loony lefties who are calling gay and transgender people pedophiles with an increase in murdersNot at all. Some of this is stuff out of control in the US. People's careers have been destroyed for questioning whether someone with a penis and testicles might not be a woman. The lengths to which affirmative action has been taken in some cases politically and commercially is questioned by many. It goes on.
I'm not going to get in to either a race or gender discussion but the point is that far left attitudes have pissed people off in the US to the extent that they're now going the other way and electing a rapey racist as their President.
It's a backlash against the left and the gobsmacking wokery that's pervaded the US, particularly around gender and Middle Eastern politics. A lot of folk have had enough,
It's a backlash against the left and the gobsmacking wokery that's pervaded the US, particularly around gender and Middle Eastern politics. A lot of folk have had enough, and this is the result. The fact that people are voting for a sex offending racist isn't because they appreciate sex offending racists. It's because nobody else is offering a solution; and the fact that the left are unable to provide credible opposition shows that it's their fault.
Too true, and not forgetting all those liberal loony lefties who are calling gay and transgender people pedophiles with an increase in murders
ah no that's that's the ultra-loony right wingers isn't it
Gets popcorns and comfy chair.
I don’t think so. I think what you’re referring to, what you’re calling “affirmative action” and “extreme wokeness” (and I disagree with your terminology and classification), is not at all “hard left”, but is, rather, associated with a civil society hegemony both here and in the US.In the US they call them liberals but here they are the politics of the hard left, aren't they?
They most certainly are on these boards.
See? This is such a typical rightie response. "Ahhh, but what about the lefties?"See? This is such a typical leftie response. "Ahhh, but what about the right?"
I mention people questioning the gender of people with male genitalia, and the response is 'well the right call them paedos!' Absolutely zero reflection, just an immediate deflective attack on an irrelevance.
... the response is "well the left is insane for wanting equal rights for minorities .... errm killing gay and transgender people as pedophiles is an ... irrelevance?
Yeh agreed, fuck those minorities eh the problem's with the commies.QED.
Bullshit, and totally not worth engaging with.
... fuck those minorities ...
Woke has been twisted, these days it's basically stuff that the right doesn't like.Reasonable positions that get taken to extremes which is the speciality of the far left. Extreme affirmative action; bonkers gender politics that see academics and perfectly reasonable people losing their careers when challenged; de-banking people whose political opinions are deemed "incorrect", etc etc
Yep."Woke" has been subverted by the right wing, and the far right, to the point it's been rendered useless, as "politically correct" was in its time. The Daily Mail suggested that Gladiators was "woke" for not including cheerleaders, for one very recent, parochial example.
What we should be concerned about is book banning and abortion restriction, and the increasing influence of Christian Nationalists. Instead the far/right have taken control of the narrative by making society scared of sex education.
I don't listen to Trump supporters, including on this thread, for very good reasons.
I know you don't believe half of this Spy but you can be an utter tosser at times.
Maybe these boards aren't suited for your own brand of trolly right wing snowflakery?In the US they call them liberals but here they are the politics of the hard left, aren't they?
They most certainly are on these boards.
Maybe these boards aren't suited for your own brand of trolly right wing snowflakery?
Let's keep the fight to the one thread, shall we?
Edit> Krtek's losing his shit with me on the BD thread and trying to cross thread beef it.
Yep.
Woke just replaced social justice warriors which replaced pc which replaced loony left and right on etc.
It's the perfect distraction, as you say, from the issues that the right are pushing.
This.Tbf it won't be the loons who get put in charge of economic policy, they're just riled for votes and occasional useful idiot roles. It's the competent bastards a rank or two below Trump and his circus who you need to watch out for.