8ball
Decolonise colons!
It will be using generally conservative assumptions in that regard, so I think you’d be right about current dairy methods being part of the assumptions.
Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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It will be using generally conservative assumptions in that regard, so I think you’d be right about current dairy methods being part of the assumptions.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Reality is sometimes surprising once you start carefully working things out. But this is not talking about ‘sustainability’ in a very broad sense so much as how much land you need to feed a given number of people with a given set of conditions.
I’d be doubtful about complex variables like soil erosion being fed into the simulation.
Yes, when you talk down to me I bite back. Don't do it.
And you haven't explained anything, you were just rude and so you got bit for it.
It depends entirely on the nature of the meat-based diet. The only one mentioned in that study is the 'standard american diet' which is awful.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
I didn't explain as it had already been done by others
how have i talked down to you? and where was i rude? you're the one dishing out "dickhead" etc
mojo pixy
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Electricity (/oil/gas) and water use have to be factored in too, and they're bound to be far higher on ''indoor'' farms. Drug and antibiotic use, long-term stock health and waste disposal are also sustainability issues, and will be different on indoor farms than free range ones. Space must be an issue, but it's far from the only one or I'd argue even the main one.
You're trolling at this point. You made a shitty assumption that one cursory read of any post I'd made in this thread would have disabused you of, and your response to my good faith posting of that survey was incredibly rude "ooh a study, it must be true!" Go away. I'm sick of having to deal with people like you, fuck off.
What is wrong with you? You were incredibly rude to me and now you're so butthurt about it you're accusing me of being a sock? Get over yourself ffs
andysays
Love and solidarity
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hiraethified
It has the dull, stinky whiff, that's for sure.is this one awesome wells??
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hiraethified
What makes you think the British one is much better? We have a fucking appalling diet. Well I say 'we,' but I have a good veggie diet, but as a nation, we're the worst in Europe.
This is the most overweight nation in Western Europe
Where did I say that?
Personal Attacks
learn to think critically then and stop behaving like a dick then
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hiraethified
I guess 'supermarkets sell more fruit and veg' is a relatively pedestrian headline.
I'm all for people choosing to eat vegan if that's their jam. Good for them. As long as they eat real food and don't preach at me and call me a murderer or some daft shit. I fully respect that choice.
Not every meat eater hates vegans and wants to rub their faces in bacon fat while punching them to death with a brisket, the narcissistic self absorbed pasty faced skeletor whiny cunts. Who the fuck do these people think they are anyway? GTFO!
I'm all for people choosing to eat vegan if that's their jam. Good for them. As long as they eat real food and don't preach at me and call me a murderer or some daft shit. I fully respect that choice.
Not every meat eater hates vegans and wants to rub their faces in bacon fat while punching them to death with a brisket, the narcissistic self absorbed pasty faced skeletor whiny cunts. Who the fuck do these people think they are anyway? GTFO!
SMH
coley
Well-Known Member
You still here?
What if anything, is your point?
Now I'm a 99.9 % vegetarian, anybody claiming to be a 100% vegetarian or Vegan is misleading themselves, but most, who try to live a meat free lifestyle do so honestly, but unless we investigate/ google, every, cup of tea/coffee, alcoholic drink, meal, put before us, we are largely knackered.
So,we do our reasonable best.
Fuck you, and the rest of those, who think that increased GOP is the saviour of humankind.
PaoloSanchez
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tbh, I have mixed feelings about using the word "vegan" at all and although I use it somewhat reluctantly I understand that is is a temporary way of distinguishing those that are ok with animal abuse and exploitation from those that aren't.
I look forward to the day when it's no longer newsworthy and becomes the new normal and the word is removed from our vocabulary and from the headlines. "UK supermarkets report surge in sales of food".
There is no word (well not one that I could find) for people who refuse to eat human flesh. We don't really need one. I suppose you could call them noncannibalistic, but even then it's not a word you'd have to use that often. Hopefully there will come a time when we no longer have to use the word "vegan" to describe people who refuse to eat animal flesh or consume their products (or call them noncarnist). A point brilliantly made in Amstell's Carnage (which I watched again yesterday), in this clip...
That moment when UK citizens stopped labelling vegans "Vegan". As veganism became the dominant cultural norm, THEY instead became "Carnists".
Yes, obviously.
My point? In relation to what, veganism? I thought I'd been pretty clear: I think animal produce is a better source of nutrition.
The rest of your point is a hideous straw man. Perhaps actually read what people say before misrepresenting them. I have no criticised anyone for doing their best, being a veggie/vegan at all. Nor have I said anything about GOP - what does taht even mean? The only GOP I'm aware is the Republican party in the US.
tbh, I have mixed feelings about using the word "vegan" at all and although I use it somewhat reluctantly I understand that is is a temporary way of distinguishing those that are ok with animal abuse and exploitation from those that aren't.
I look forward to the day when it's no longer newsworthy and becomes the new normal and the word is removed from our vocabulary and from the headlines. "UK supermarkets report surge in sales of food".
There is no word (well not one that I could find) for people who refuse to eat human flesh. We don't really need one. I suppose you could call them noncannibalistic, but even then it's not a word you'd have to use that often. Hopefully there will come a time when we no longer have to use the word "vegan" to describe people who refuse to eat animal flesh or consume their products (or call them noncarnist). A point brilliantly made in Amstell's Carnage (which I watched again yesterday), in this clip...
That moment when UK citizens stopped labelling vegans "Vegan". As veganism became the dominant cultural norm, THEY instead became "Carnists".
What? Human flesh? Who eats that?
I think it'll be a long time coming before veganism becomes the dominant cultural norm I'm afraid.
mojo pixy
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Have we managed to clarify yet why you aren't using the perfectly clear expression "meat eaters", apart from that you like to feel the power of winding up meat eaters by calling them "carnists"? What other purpose does this neologism serve?
No one will ever use the word 'carnist' seriously
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The fact that vegans have come out with such neologisms, in addition to their central mystery of why it's OK to kill other animals for living space but not for food, is why I consider veganism (as opposed to simply refraining from consuming animal products) to be a kind of religion. That and the evangelism.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
carnist sounds a bit like someone who is prejudiced against carnival people
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
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