editor
hiraethified
Oh for fuck's sake.
Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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editor
hiraethified
You've just described all food if your aim is to stay alive. In the west, no one needs to eat meat to live though. It's a choice. People can live perfectly healthy lives with zero meat and impact a whole lot less on the environment.
And yet you provide no counter argument
Yes, people can enjoy eating all sorts of food because we are programmed to receive a pleasurable sensation from foods we enjoy.You've just described all food if your aim is to stay alive. In the west, no one needs to eat meat to live though. It's a choice. People can live perfectly healthy lives with zero meat and impact a whole lot less on the environment.
You missed the point: i believe animal produce to be the optimal source of nutrition. My goal is not merely to live, but to thrive, so logically that would entail eating optimally no?
You can keep facepalming all you like, i'd rather have a sensible respectful discussion not some tedious enounter with another preachy wanker. So far you've not given me a good reason to not eat meat. The environmental impact for my diet has yet to be established and I don't believe that, once divested of capitalism, this problem will be quite the same
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
It is not a biological necessity
there are plenty of people as living proof
will you concede that?
You're not listening.
I said enjoying food is a biological necessity; that's how we are built. We have evolved to enjoy the foods we eat and seek them out in the future.
editor
hiraethified
Ah, with no facts to back you up, it's now all down to 'belief' like a belief in God, pixies and UFOs.
A meat heavy diet is not the optimum anything. A balanced diet is, and that can be achieved without meat.
The truth about meat, according to scientists
editor
hiraethified
No you didn't. Stop wriggling.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Member since Tuesday. #15 on a thread that was started last july. CrabbedOne has a contender. I suggest feeding him less snacks. No more snacks for this radge basturt!
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
I stopped feeding scooby ages ago. Clearly a fraud.
editor
hiraethified
T'is fun to kick the buffoon around from time to time though. I think he ight even believe the drivel he posts up because a proper troll wouldn't have to make anywhere near as much effort.
Is that aimed at me? You seriously posted this? Aren't there some kids playing ball outside you could be phoning the council about? Creepy mohtherfucker!
I can't find a link to the study you're referring to in that article, published by a tabloid. Please cite a source diretly.
Saying that because I have provided no source my belief is the equivalent to the supernatural is just stupid. But you haven't debunked anything. All that article does is reiterate your own belief, and link to another article which mentions, but seems to provide no source, for a study about protein. I haven't advocated any particular protein, though mine is on the high side for Keto (which isn't a high protein diet).
Arguing for a balanced diet, which you don't eat as a vegan anyway, is just a fallacy.
That is exactly what I said, and subsequently clarified as you know since you are responding to me doing so, which just makes you dishonest.
You're just a liar, and not a very good one
You mean like the effort to link to a tabloid article and not the direct source for the claim you're making?
This is beyond tedious.
Horus, if you don't care what other people eat, why are you posting so much bilge on this thread.
Yeah, yeah you think eating meat is optimum. Fine. So what. Why bore everyone else about it.
This thread was partially interesting, if not entertaining, for a while.
Horus, if you don't care what other people eat, why are you posting so much bilge on this thread.
Yeah, yeah you think eating meat is optimum. Fine. So what. Why bore everyone else about it.
This thread was partially interesting, if not entertaining, for a while.
"Arguing for a balanced diet, which you don't eat as a vegan anyway, is just a fallacy."
Evidence your claim.
But seriously, how do you know Editor doesn't eat a balanced diet? You've admitted it's possible to get a range, a balance of nutriants with out eating meat. You love chucking around pseudo debate club rules and complaints, whilst repeatidly breaking them yourself. It's fucking boring anyway.
Balanced diet is not what this thread's about anyway. Many meat eaters don't eat a balanced diet, so far as the term is understood.
Evidence your claim.
But seriously, how do you know Editor doesn't eat a balanced diet? You've admitted it's possible to get a range, a balance of nutriants with out eating meat. You love chucking around pseudo debate club rules and complaints, whilst repeatidly breaking them yourself. It's fucking boring anyway.
Balanced diet is not what this thread's about anyway. Many meat eaters don't eat a balanced diet, so far as the term is understood.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
tbh, I don't really know what motivates a proper troll and what lengths they go to. As soon as it was clear that scooby was a piss take just here to pick a fight and talk bare shite, I switched off.
Because by definition a vegan diet requires supplementation. I wasn't arguing for a balanced diet, was that not clear. I'm sure you could find a thread more to your liking elsewhere. I'm nit here to give you an eco chamber"Arguing for a balanced diet, which you don't eat as a vegan anyway, is just a fallacy."
Evidence your claim.
But seriously, how do you know Editor doesn't eat a balanced diet? You've admitted it's possible to get a range, a balance of nutriants with out eating meat. You love chucking around pseudo debate club rules and complaints, whilst repeatidly breaking them yourself. It's fucking boring anyway.
Balanced diet is not what this thread's about anyway. Many meat eaters don't eat a balanced diet, so far as the term is understood.
editor
hiraethified
The article links directly to several sources you stupid, stupid, boy.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Ah the old supplementation is bad argument, conveniently ignoring the fact that a number of staple foodstuffs are fortified with vitmains / minerals and farmed animals receive supplementation which ends up in the meat.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
If you're genuinely interested there's loads on places on the interwebs where you can find support.Is there a general thread on Urban where one can find information and maybe get support about eating less or no meat? This thread's a fucking joke now
Although I'm not a big fan of single issue forums I am a member on this one ---> Vegetarian and Vegan Forums @ Veggie Views (haven't posted anything yet)
Unfortunately, the sort of thing that has happened in this thread is typical. Flesh eaters get shook and go out of their way to trash the topic. It's very predictable. Similarly with youtube comments.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
was thinking of starting one in suburban for that very reason and that it wouldn't be dicked about so much on but worried the usual suspects would still wreck itIs there a general thread on Urban where one can find information and maybe get support about eating less or no meat? This thread's a fucking joke now
Go on start one I reckon.
This one's for argument stuff. A straight up informational thread shouldn't get trashed. I eat meat but do like other stuff too. Not like I eat meat every day.
Anyone being a nob on those type of threads could be banned off them.
Why do you care so much anyway? You've offered nothing except saying you think meat is more convenient source of certain nutrients for you. Vegans aren't making their case based on convenience.
Besides, supplementation is hardly the preserve of vegans. As pointed out. Bread is fortified etc. As for all the problems with meat production disappearing along with Capitlism. The scifi recommendations thread is elsewhere.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Is there a general thread on Urban where one can find information and maybe get support about eating less or no meat? This thread's a fucking joke now
Maybe separate "ideology" and "recipes" ones.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
editor
hiraethified
I'll keep a close eye on it.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
"First this morning. British farmers tell this program they can't sleep at night and feel under attack by some vegan activitsts who describe them as rapists and issue death threats."
That is a typical BBC "opening move" whenever they are reporting vegans in the news, however in spite of the not very flattering association between vegans and unpleasant numpties, I thought Earthling Ed conducted himself very well on the Victoria Derbyshire show last week...
That is a typical BBC "opening move" whenever they are reporting vegans in the news, however in spite of the not very flattering association between vegans and unpleasant numpties, I thought Earthling Ed conducted himself very well on the Victoria Derbyshire show last week...
Great, so instead of your constant passive aggressive sneering bullshit which has been the hallmark of every one of your responses to me, you'll be able to link to one of those claims, which you also could have done here but again chose to piss all over the convo.
The only study actually referenced in that article is in relation to heart attacks and that the mediterranean diet is healthier. Not sure than what as I couldn't find a reference waht for. The Med diet is not a vegan diet.
Other than that it mentions, as I said, a study regarding animal protein which, if eaten in large enough quantities is apparently linked to cancer. Since no study is cited this is a meantingless assertion. It also doesn't address the proposition that all meat is inherently unhealthy since eating some meat would offend you.
Finally there is mention of the World Cancer Research Fund study claiming red meat is linked o colorectal cancer, but again no study is cited, just a link to the organisation itself. The article alleges this "could" related to sat fats. Meaningless, there is no evidence saturated fats are unhealthy anway, that dietary myth has been debunked. Besides it seems to refer to processed meats. Not fresh meat.
So, no, you stupid, stupid boy, there aren't studies linked. There are references to studies, which are not cited directly. Just mere assertion.
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mojo pixy
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Not to mention the regular little digs like this crude and unnecessary attempt to equate meat eating humans with some kind of bacteria or parasite. It's ridiculous. Why can't you just use the term meat eaters, like some kind of normal person? Does it really bother you so much to refer to meat eaters neutrally, without having a snide attack?
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