Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Horus Snacks]

"First this morning. British farmers tell this program they can't sleep at night and feel under attack by some vegan activitsts who describe them as rapists and issue death threats."

That is a typical BBC "opening move" whenever they are reporting vegans in the news, however in spite of the not very flattering association between vegans and unpleasant numpties, I thought Earthling Ed conducted himself very well on the Victoria Derbyshire show last week...

Would like to have heard more from the former vegan lady.

Not sure harassing farmworkers really helps

 

[Horus Snacks]

If you're genuinely interested there's loads on places on the interwebs where you can find support.

Although I'm not a big fan of single issue forums I am a member on this one ---> Vegetarian and Vegan Forums @ Veggie Views (haven't posted anything yet)

Unfortunately, the sort of thing that has happened in this thread is typical. Flesh eaters get shook and go out of their way to trash the topic. It's very predictable. Similarly with youtube comments.

What you mean like when I posted to put my preference forward and gave you vegans every courtesy and got shit flung at me for my trouble?

 

[Horus Snacks]

Why do you care so much anyway? You've offered nothing except saying you think meat is more convenient source of certain nutrients for you. Vegans aren't making their case based on convenience.

Besides, supplementation is hardly the preserve of vegans. As pointed out. Bread is fortified etc. As for all the problems with meat production disappearing along with Capitlism. The scifi recommendations thread is elsewhere.

Do you have anything worth listening to or just wah wah the thread isn't to my liking? You come across like a spoilt child

 

[Horus Snacks]

Is there a general thread on Urban where one can find information and maybe get support about eating less or no meat? This thread's a fucking joke now

How about somewhere where someone can explain how to eat a LCHF vegan diet.

 

[ddraig]

Not to mention the regular little digs like this crude and unnecessary attempt to equate meat eating humans with some kind of bacteria or parasite. It's ridiculous. Why can't you just use the term meat eaters, like some kind of normal person? Does it really bother you so much to refer to meat eaters neutrally, without having a snide attack?

meat is flesh though so why do you see it as a dig? it's just the reality, nothing to do with bacteria or being a parasite. Many/most meat/flesh eaters know and are not bothered that they're eating animal flesh, why does it bother you so much?

 

[xenon]

Do you have anything worth listening to or just wah wah the thread isn't to my liking? You come across like a spoilt child

I've been reading it on and off for months. You've turned up and shat all over it. Bore off.

 

[NoXion]

Not sure why we're even discussing the health aspects of a vegan diet in the first place. One's health is one's own business, and it's perfectly possible to eat a balanced diet that includes meat.

The great crusade isn't about health, otherwise vegan activists would be showing people pictures of tumours being surgically removed or whatever, like on fag packets.

Instead they show pictures of animals because they reckon more people give a shit about cyoot fuzzy-wuzzy animals than their own health.

 

[8ball]

How about somewhere where someone can explain how to eat a LCHF vegan diet.

I found a few recipes on a quick Google - haven’t compared macros with omni LCHF or anything but there seems to be stuff out there.

 

[Horus Snacks]

I've been reading it on and off for months. You've turned up and shat all over it. Bore off.

Cry more you fucking child

 

[PaoloSanchez]

meat is flesh though so why do you see it as a dig? it's just the reality, nothing to do with bacteria or being a parasite. Many/most meat/flesh eaters know and are not bothered that they're eating animal flesh, why does it bother you so much?

mp is another waste of space I've stopped bothering too much with. Seems to have hang ups on terminology and cunjurs up grievances out of thin air. Can't be arsed with that. Appears to me more interested in me than I am in him a bit like that nutcase lbj, as long as I don't respond to the crap, it will eventually fade away. (stereo mc's again...birds of a feather bees of a sting...)

 

[8ball]

Instead they show pictures of animals because they reckon more people give a shit about cyoot fuzzy-wuzzy animals than their own health.

There's been a bit more of a climate change angle recently.

 

[NoXion]

There's been a bit more of a climate change angle recently.

I don't own or drive a car, so I think my sin-to-salvation ratio is good enough on that one.

 

[8ball]

I don't own or drive a car, so I think my sin-to-salvation ratio is good enough on that one.

I think there might be a bit more to it than that.

edit: Not that I'd personally couch it in religious terms, though it's certainly appropriate for the thread.

 

[NoXion]

I think there might be a bit more to it than that.

That's my point, it's just the standard attempt at guilt-tripping bullshit, given a fashionable new veneer. Climate change is not going to be solved by individuals giving up meat. It's a systemic problem requiring a systemic response.

 

[xenon]

Cry more you fucking child

Why the abuce?

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Why the abuce?

It betrays his true colours and he justifies it with made up bs about being abused himself, lol.
Allow the wasteman.

 

[mojo pixy]

meat is flesh though so why do you see it as a dig? it's just the reality, nothing to do with bacteria or being a parasite. Many/most meat/flesh eaters know and are not bothered that they're eating animal flesh, why does it bother you so much?

And Muslims aren't a race so I aint racist blah, yeah. Words are just words and don't have uses, meanings and contexts.

What bothers me is the snideyness.

Tell y'what, find some examples of "flesh-eating ___" used in real life, post 'em up and then we can discuss terminology and connotation, ok?

mp is another waste of space I've stopped bothering too much with. Seems to have hang ups on terminology and cunjurs up grievances out of thin air. Can't be arsed with that. Appears to me more interested in me than I am in him a bit like that nutcase lbj, as long as I don't respond to the crap, it will eventually fade away. (stereo mc's again...birds of a feather bees of a sting...)

Except for when you choose to reply to my posts.

Respond to the crap? Most of the responses are to your own crap you fake dimwit

 

[butchersapron]

Is that aimed at me? You seriously posted this? Aren't there some kids playing ball outside you could be phoning the council about? Creepy mohtherfucker!

Funny you should mention that mr wells.

Is it ok in your opinion because "it's football". That was the excuse jsut given to me by the guy who walked in, without asking, to collcet the ball. As if to say "more fool you for having a home near a pitch".

I have raised the issue with our local councillor but it seems to have gone no further, or fallen on deaf ears somewhere along the line. THe local council think it's a matter for the district council who think it's a polic issue - as if i'm going to call the cops in ffs!

 

[ddraig]

And Muslims aren't a race so I aint racist blah, yeah. Words are just words and don't have uses, meanings and contexts.

What bothers me is the snideyness.

Tell y'what, find some examples of "flesh-eating ___" used in real life, post 'em up and then we can discuss terminology and connotation, ok?



Except for when you choose to reply to my posts.

Respond to the crap? Most of the responses are to your own crap you fake dimwit

wtf?!?! are YOU SERIOUS?? comparing someone saying flesh eater to racism????

 

[Horus Snacks]

It betrays his true colours and he justifies it with made up bs about being abused himself, lol.
Allow the wasteman.

You've not made a single point worth a drop of piss boyo. Time to go away

 

[mojo pixy]

wtf?!?! are YOU SERIOUS?? comparing someone saying flesh eater to racism????

You fucking idiot no. I'm calling out disingenuousness. Do you even know what that word means? I doubt it. Like a fish doesn't know what water is.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

wtf?!?! are YOU SERIOUS?? comparing someone saying flesh eater to racism????

Starve them of the oxygen they thrive on. mp has complained about the use of the word "carnist" and other perfectly reasonable and benign words/phrases as if they were grave insults, and all this while completely ignoring the genuine abuse coming in the other direction right off the bat from the likes of noxious and honeymonster. It would be hard to find anyone more disingenuous than him in this thread. The dude is a waste of space and can jump in the bin with his wasteman colleague scooby.

 

[ddraig]

You fucking idiot no. I'm calling out disingenuousness. Do you even know what that word means? I doubt it. Like a fish doesn't know what water is.

calling something out by using racism as a comparison
why so dishonest and fragile?
and abusive?

 

[PaoloSanchez]

 

[NoXion]

Starve them of the oxygen they thrive on. mp has complained about the use of the word "carnist" and other perfectly reasonable and benign words/phrases as if they were grave insults, and all this while completely ignoring the genuine abuse coming in the other direction right off the bat from the likes of noxious and honeymonster. It would be hard to find anyone more disingenuous than him in this thread. The dude is a waste of space and can jump in the bin with his wasteman colleague scooby.

Reasonable and benign? No, "carnist" is loaded language and you know it. If you don't, then you're a whole lot less intelligent than I thought you were. If it's not loaded, why invent a new term? What's wrong with "meat eater"?

 

[8ball]

What's wrong with "meat eater"?

It's common parlance for people outside the group used by people outside the group.
Lots of groups do this.

 

[lazythursday]

I'm not sure I'm a fan of the word 'carnism' but it doesn't just mean 'meat eater'. It's a way of describing a whole group of attitudes / cultural practices tied up with meat eating and the assumption that meat eating is the norm / 'natural' etc.

 

[NoXion]

It's common parlance for people outside the group used by people outside the group.
Lots of groups do this.

Yes of course, many groups cement solidarity through the construction of an Other. That explains, but does not justify.

If vegans want to call them "carnists" amongst themselves, that doesn't bother me. But in a thread ostensibly addressed to non-vegans, repeated use of such terms isn't helpful in my opinion.

Nor is this habit of saying "ooh, you're 'hypocrisy hunting', therefore I can dismiss your argument a priori". Despite the fact that when I last had that canard thrown at me, I wasn't talking about hypocrisy at all, but about the fact that to other animals the human species could be considered a monstrous blight, no matter what the vast majority of humans eat.

 

[8ball]

If vegans want to call them "carnists" amongst themselves, that doesn't bother me. But in a thread ostensibly addressed to non-vegans, repeated use of such terms isn't helpful in my opinion.

I think one of your premises is mistaken.

 

[NoXion]

I think one of your premises is mistaken.

It would be helpful if you pointed out which one.