David Icke on the Russell Brand show

[Augie March]

Tried, but the site's gone down

That's what happens when you run your websites using alternative science.

 

[fogbat]

That site's got some other newsflashes too..

"Mediums really do talk to the dead, claim top scientists"

"Have scientists really proved that man can see into the future?"

"Uri Geller says we need to learn from children in prayer"

"Mobile phones are killing our ghosts"

"Psychics on Wall Street"

"John Kanzius, sorely weakened by leukemia treatments, drew on his lifetime of working with radio waves to devise a machine that targets cancer cells. The miracle: It works."

 

[Jazzz]

Capitalists financed Hitler to stave off a communist revolution in Germany?

Did you do GSCE history too, Jazz?

But that's exactly the point that there's nothing remarkable about Icke's comment!

Well, that was easy.

 

[Belushi]

But that's exactly the point that there's nothing remarkable about Icke's comment!

Well, that was easy.

This is the comment in question

I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel. They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."

 

[Jazzz]

It's not proof of a Jewish conspiracy ffs and it doesn't prove that "Jewish bankers gave money to Hitler".

Icke doesn't claim a 'Jewish conspiracy' rather a conspiracy which includes an elite group of families, some of whom are Jewish.

I gave a well-researched example of a Jewish banker donating to Hitler in post #119.

 

[Yossarian]

Has Icke stated his position on spoon-bending Jews?

 

[fogbat]

Has Icke stated his position on spoon-bending Jews?

All he's saying is that some Jews, in the past, have bent spoons.

This is all clearly a matter of public record so why should it be so remarkable?

 

[nosos]

I gave a well-researched example of a Jewish banker donating to Hitler in post #119.

Did anyone ever deny that this happened?

Your post confuses me beacuse you seem to think that posting up a "statement of fact" that a Jewish banker funded the Nazis somehow punctures criticism of Ike's claim that a "small Jewish clique" is responsible for the greatest tragedies of the 20th century.

 

[Augie March]

According to that newsmonster article posted earlier Uri says:

"I found oil and gold. I didn't make my wealth by bending spoons. I made it by finding oil and gold. Bending spoons is passe."

What a snobby cunt. Turning his nose up at spoon bending, the thing what made him famous in the first place. I could just imagine him at a dinner party with all his new hoity-toity oil company friends, someone will say something like: "Oh Uri, you simply must show us your spoon bending!" And then Uri will reply with: "Spoon-bending? That's so passe darling, I've moved onto better things now!" Then they'll all laugh at the absurd thought of it, but somewhere in the depths of Uri's attic, lying in a dusty drawer, there's a little bent spoon.
And if you look close enough, you'll see a little tear falling down it's bent little handle.

 

[mikeinworthing]

All he's saying is that some Jews, in the past, have bent spoons.

TBH he did go on to say some Jews even owned bent spoons, without any personal bending being involved.

And this FACT is a mystery to this very day.

 

[mikeinworthing]

According to that newsmonster article posted earlier Uri says:



What a snobby cunt. Turning his nose up at spoon bending, the thing what made him famous in the first place. I could just imagine him at a dinner party with all his new hoity-toity oil company friends, someone will say something like: "Oh Uri, you simply must show us your spoon bending!" And then Uri will reply with: "Spoon-bending? That's so passe darling, I've moved onto better things now!" Then they'll all laugh at the absurd thought of it, but somewhere in the depths of Uri's attic, lying in a dusty drawer, there's a little bent spoon.
And if you look close enough, you'll see a little tear falling down it's bent little handle.

((((forgotten spoon))))

 

[Pinette]

Here's the reunion:

I have just got home. Very tired after looking after my grandchildren for the day. Went to Urbs after reading the news. Read the post up until this one, clicked on the link (Icke and Tel - 06) and, suffering as I am from exhaustion, and maybe losing my usual cynical take on things, think, right at this moment, that David Icke certainly has some pearls of wisdom hidden amongst the dross of his outpourings. Sometimes. Not always. I certainly don't think that he's deranged mentally. Some of his views are worth considering. (I haven't seen the Russel Brand show, but the link directed me to the Terry W show. Perhaps I should try to view the RB thing before posting, but anyway, I can't do that right now without expunging this post and it's taken ages to write it.)
Love to you all and a Happy New Year anyway.

 

[Cloud]

Is Icke really mad or just selling books?

Or a combination of both?

 

[8den]

Is this another thread were Jazzz cheers on another spreader of conspiracy bollocks, before it's pointed out that said lunatic is a racist anti semite and hangs around with Neo Nazis?

Because those threads never get old....

 

[Yossarian]

Is this another thread were Jazzz cheers on another spreader of conspiracy bollocks, before it's pointed out that said lunatic is a racist anti semite and hangs around with Neo Nazis?

You got that without reading the thread? Shit, maybe I've been too quick to dismiss psychic phenomena!

 

[mikeinworthing]

Is this another thread were Jazzz cheers on another spreader of conspiracy bollocks,

Put it on, the end is coming.

 

[8ball]

That second interview between Wogan and Icke is pretty funny - I'd say Icke wins round 2 on points.

 

[Jazzz]

Did anyone ever deny that this happened?

Your post confuses me beacuse you seem to think that posting up a "statement of fact" that a Jewish banker funded the Nazis somehow punctures criticism of Ike's claim that a "small Jewish clique" is [partly] * responsible for the greatest tragedies of the 20th century.

Well nosos, I'm sorry if you are confused but it is very simple!

If one Jewish banker funded the nazis then it follows that 'a small Jewish clique' - of size at least one - funded the nazis.

That is just one example, the controversy is over the role and Jewish-ness of the Warburgs and Rockefellers.

And in any case, you can criticise the validity of the claim all you like, it is in no way anti-semitic whatever, and that is the smear against Icke.



* my clarification.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Well nosos, I'm sorry if you are confused but it is very simple!

If one Jewish banker funded the nazis then it follows that 'a small Jewish clique' - of size at least one - funded the nazis.

That is just one example, the controversy is over the role and Jewish-ness of the Warburgs and Rockefellers.

And in any case, you can criticise the validity of the claim all you like, it is in no way anti-semitic whatever, and that is the smear against Icke.

You can't have a clique of one, it's contrary to the definition. Also a clique implies some sort of unifying policy or agency, none of which are supported by anything, but by implication support your straw god Ickle's position.

Misleading terminology Jazzz.

As to his antisematism, i'm unsure. I do know that if you were to go to the National Front's website there will be no overtly racist material there. In a way his personal beliefs are irrelevant as his work, if it weren't the ravings of a madman, would be a godsend for anti semites.

 

[nosos]

He's not just saying a "Jewish clique" (how is it a Jewish clique when it was dominated by non-Jewish members?) funded the nazis, he's saying "a small Jewish clique [...] worked to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War". Saying that a Jewish clique worked with non-Jews towards this end (1) and there was a clique/conspiracy that involved both Jews and non-Jews (2) are two different propositions. He clearly assents to the first which, though avoiding the excesses of some conspiracy theorists by accepting that non-Jewish people are involved as well, still plainly ascribes two world wars and the russian revolution to the machinations of a Jewish cabal. Ipso facto Ike blames the worst tragedies of the 20th century on a Jewish conspiracy while accepting that part of that conspiracy involved "[working] with non-Jews" towards this end". The Jewish cabal worked with non-Jews to further their prior ends. He's not saying it was a conspiracy involving Jews and non-Jews. There's a huge difference between these two claims.

 

[Jazzz]

You can't have a clique of one, it's contrary to the definition. Also a clique implies some sort of unifying policy or agency, none of which are supported by anything, but by implication support your straw god Ickle's position.

Misleading terminology Jazzz.

ok. but the fact remains that the claim cannot be dismissed, there is evidence I came up with in a few minutes of a Jewish banker bankrolling Hitler, and I know very little about it.

As to his antisematism, i'm unsure. I do know that if you were to go to the National Front's website there will be no overtly racist material there. In a way his personal beliefs are irrelevant as his work, if it weren't the ravings of a madman, would be a godsend for anti semites.

You don't consider this overtly racist?

Race and Immigration

The National Front believes that the world contains a rich diversity of races and consequent cultures. We believe in the preservation of these races. As each race has evolved it has developed its own social structures, its own customs and its own culture. These are different for each race and have been built up to suit the character of each separate race.

In the case of Britain the National Front upholds the wish of the majority of British people for Britain to remain a white country, with customs and a culture which have been developed to suit our character. Consequently the National Front would halt all non-white immigration into Britain and introduce a policy of phased and humane repatriation of all coloured people currently resident here. Such a policy would be expected to extend over 10-15 years and its completion would thus depend on the recurrent election of successive NF governments.

Well quite enough of that. And there's very little on that site - by contrast Icke has written millions of words many of which denounce racism in the strongest possible terms. Such as lambasting the monarchy as it is in no way an equal opportunities employer!

 

[butchersapron]

To accuse a 'small cabal' is completely different from denouncing an entire race. Besides plenty of other small cabals that are not Jewish are in the same boat.

I've just come across this statement of fact in the book "Wall Street and the rise of Hitler" by Anthony Sutton - in a chapter concerning the controversy over the role of the Warburg family in bankrolling the nazi regime

"Yet we know from an authentic source (Ambassador Dodd) that the Jewish banker Eberhard von Oppenheim did indeed give 200,000 marks to Hitler..." source (page 104)

so there you go.

You've not actually read it have you Jazzz? If you had you surely wouldn't be claiming that the 'warburg chapter' had anything at all to do with "the controversy over the role of the Warburg family in bankrolling the nazi regime" - it's not. It's about whether a book published under the name Sidney Warburg detailing US state and financial capital donations to the Nazis is genuine or a forgery.

Relavent chapter

Shit hot research again.

 

[nosos]

ok. but the fact remains that the claim cannot be dismissed

Yes it can because he's claiming two world wars and the russian revolution were the result of a Jewish conspiracy that worked with non-Jews in order to further their own ends. It's a racialized conspiracy theory.

 

[longdog]

If one Jewish banker funded the nazis then it follows that 'a small Jewish clique' - of size at least one

You can't have a clique of one you muppet

I've just asked the crowd of one people in my flat and all of me agree with me

 

[Julie]

I saw Russell Brand finally on some variety show and I laughed out loud.

 

[nosos]

I've just asked the crowd of one people in my flat and all of me agree with me

My clique of one agrees with your clique!

 

[nosos]

Does this make us a cabal?

 

[Jazzz]

You've not actually read it have you Jazzz? If you had you surely wouldn't be claiming that the 'warburg chapter' had anything at all to do with "the controversy over the role of the Warburg family in bankrolling the nazi regime" - it's not. It's about whether a book published under the name Sidney Warburg detailing US state and financial capital donations to the Nazis is genuine or a forgery.

Relavent chapter

Shit hot research again.

I don't think so. From the same chapter:

Second, we have already identified I.G. Farben as a key financier and backer of Hitler. We have provided photographic evidence (page 64) of the bank transfer slip for 400,000 marks from I.G. Farben to Hitler's "Nationale Treuhand" political slush fund account administered by Rudolf Hess. Now it is probable, almost certain, that "Sidney Warburg" did not exist. On the other hand, it is a matter of public record that the Warburgs were closely connected with I.G. Farben in Germany and the United States. In Germany Max Warburg was a director of I.G. Farben and in the United States brother Paul Warburg (father of James Paul Warburg) was a director of American I.G. Farben. In brief, we have incontrovertible evidence that some Warburgs, including the father of James Paul, the denouncer of the "Sidney Warburg" book, were directors of I.G. Farben. And I.G. Farben is known to have financed Hitler. "Sidney Warburg" was a myth, but I.G. Farben directors Max Warburg and Paul Warburg were not myths. This is reason enough to push further.

I think that passage rather concerns the question of whether the Warburgs were bankrolling naziism does it not?

 

[Belushi]

Does this make us a cabal?

The b stands for belushi

 

[nosos]

So now we are a cabal of three?

Let's cause mayhem and misery in order to empower ourselves. Obviously we may have to work with some non-cabal members to further these ends but who cares? Logically we're still a cabal and it's still our conspiracy; even if it involves other people instrumentally. Any idiot could see this. Right?