"Did two hired assassins snatch weapons inspector David Kelly?"

[Descartes]

Wow... has anyone read the opening remarks of Jeremy Gompertz QC statement to the Hutton Inquiry...... a complete contradiction to our illustrious Editors comment that the family were ... etc etc

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Politics/documents/2003/09/25/Sept25AM.pdf

Words like Duplicity, Anger, distress, systemic (sic) failure, the press office failure, Dr and Mrs Kelly having to flee their home at ten minutes notice, .... hmm, rather contradicts any earlier comments relating to satisfaction......

 

[Descartes]

DB,
Your reference to the present High Court farago, people throwing money at a lost cause... but should be subject of another thread...

Now, that would be amusing.

 

[editor]

Words like Duplicity, Anger, distress, systemic (sic) failure, the press office failure, Dr and Mrs Kelly having to flee their home at ten minutes notice, .... hmm, rather contradicts any earlier comments relating to satisfaction......

You're either intentionally misrepresenting what was said or you're just too blindly driven by your own pre-set agenda to actually understand what's being said.

The comments refer to Dr Kelly's treatment during the period leading up to his death - and that treatment was indeed despicable. There is no mention whatsoever that she is dissatisfied with the verdict of suicide - you're just dishonestly projecting that assertion and it's making you look rather desperate.

a complete contradiction to our illustrious Editors comment that the family were ... etc etc

Where have I claimed that the family were satisfied with his treatment? Nowhere, that's where. Stop making stuff up and stick to the truth please.

 

[London_Calling]

editor - I'm sure you're a lovely feller but I can't abide your debating style, so I'll leave it from here.

 

[editor]

editor - I'm sure you're a lovely feller but I can't abide your debating style, so I'll leave it from here.

LOL.

 

[Descartes]

The closing sentence of Jeremy Gompertz QC, " In his despair he seems to have taken his own life. " end of quote.

A world apart from Mr Scrumpton, acting for the Gov, PM and all those given evidence on behalf of the gov., refers to " the tradegy some ten months later at Harrowdown Hill " end of quote. Again, no mention of suicide.

The continued reference to the 45 minutes and the later clarification that the term 45 minutes was not used correctly or even in relation to reality.

The callous and malicous handling of Dr Kelly underlines the wanton disregard for a leading scientist, the systematic ruin of his reputation and misleading information as to his area of responsibility clearly depicts a department trying everything to destroy the person, morally and ethically. A small step for the next phase of making the problem go away.

I can imagine the Editor gleefully chuckling as he assumes greater heights of indignation on behalf of Mrs Kelly but seeking to ignore her disquiet and anger at the government's handling of her late husband career and his death.

I am more inclined to believe, if she was reading this, a glow of satisfaction that after all this time the circumstances surrounding her husband's death still has great value in the public domain and subject to greater scrutiny.

 

[editor]

I can imagine the Editor gleefully chuckling as he assumes greater heights of indignation on behalf of Mrs Kelly but seeking to ignore her disquiet and anger at the government's handling of her late husband career and his death.

Hey, why not quit trying to dishonestly shove words in to my mouth and stick to the facts, you deceitful fraud?

There's nothing to 'chuckle' about in this case and I made my opinions very clear on Dr Kelly's disgraceful treatment a long time ago here.

 

[Descartes]

Oh, please pay attention, the opening words are.. I can imagine.... whatever your allusion to power are I am still allowed to imagine,in what ever scenario or in what ever context I care to imagine....

It does not state that you did chuckle just that I could imagine you.. this is only from your wording and behaviour through out this thread and the impression gained from such.

ROFLMAO.

Imagine that.

 

[DrRingDing]

Can you provide credible evidence that the statement was a carbon copy of her private thoughts on this matter?

Editor, looking forward to your answer.

 

[butchersapron]

How comes posters named after philsophers are always shit?

 

[Jazzz]

Get some evidence, people will listen. Get some evidence to undermine evidence already accepted, people will listen.

The evidence is there. It is quite sufficient to demand the coroner's inquest Kelly never had.

 

[brixtonvilla]

The evidence is there. It is quite sufficient to demand the coroner's inquest Kelly never had.

So you've written to the relevant authorities with it, then?

 

[editor]

Editor, looking forward to your answer.

Hold on. You're the one suggesting that she's publicly lying about how her husband died, so why don't you back up this amazing claim?

What evidence have you got that proves she's been dishonest? Anything? Anything at all? What reason should anyone have to doubt her carefully chosen words? Please elucidate.

I find this attempt to slur Kelly's widow deeply distasteful, but it's the sort of thing I've come to expect in these matters.

 

[editor]

Oh, please pay attention, the opening words are.. I can imagine.... whatever your allusion to power are I am still allowed to imagine,in what ever scenario or in what ever context I care to imagine....

Right. So you're making it all up then and haven't bothered to research the truth of the matter, yes?

There's a surprise.

 

[Lock&Light]

Right. So you're making it all up then and haven't bothered to research the truth of the matter, yes?

There's a surprise.

Have you really got nothing better to do than continually repeat the same, convincing, argument, over and over again?

It's becoming as tedious as anything Donna might have ever been concerned about.

Bring it to an end, ed.

Please!

 

[fela fan]

Hold on. You're the one suggesting that she's publicly lying about how her husband died, so why don't you back up this amazing claim?

What evidence have you got that proves she's been dishonest? Anything? Anything at all? What reason should anyone have to doubt her carefully chosen words? Please elucidate.

I find this attempt to slur Kelly's widow deeply distasteful, but it's the sort of thing I've come to expect in these matters.

Editor, you told us you had the facts, so go on, just give us the facts and then all debate can be closed down. After all, how can we argue against the facts, the evidence, and the truth all of which you have. We want the facts that show it's a suicide, then we can all move on from this thread onto another one.

c'mon, GIVE US THE FACTS MAN.

 

[fela fan]

All groundless, fact-free wild speculation, as usual.

I find your evidence-free assertion that Mrs Kelly is lying through her teeth just because she doesn't support your exciting superspy version of events, deeply offensive.
Triple-LOL!

Hey, wriggling eel, master of shoving words into people's mouths, i never said that. Repeat, i never accused kelly's wife of lying, nor of lying through her teeth.

Such flowery rhetoric, and total bullshit too. And do us a favour with all this deeply offensive shit, drop it. You don't even know this woman.

As for those words you endlessly post up, 'groundless, fact-free wild speculation', well, c'mon, you've got the facts, post them up then i can stop speculating.

 

[editor]

Hey, wriggling eel, master of shoving words into people's mouths, i never said that. Repeat, i never accused kelly's wife of lying, nor of lying through her teeth.

So you believe she told the absolute truth when she said that she was satisfied that her husband's death was suicide YES/NO?

 

[butchersapron]

Hey, wriggling eel, master of shoving words into people's mouths, i never said that. Repeat, i never accused kelly's wife of lying, nor of lying through her teeth..

No, you said that she was so scared that she and her kids would be killed that she complied.

Who scared her, why, when, how - what about - none of this you covered.

 

[fela fan]

You're either intentionally misrepresenting what was said or you're just too blindly driven by your own pre-set agenda to actually understand what's being said.

It's you who is "blindly driven" with your own "pre-set agenda". You've even stated that you have got the facts, and that folk must be wrong by saying it was very likely suicide.

You have actually said you have got the facts. Yet won't post them up.

How fixed an agenda is that eh forum?!

 

[editor]

No, you said that she was soc scared that she her kids would be killed that she complied.

Indeed he did!

*awaits some Olympian wriggling from ff

 

[fela fan]

No, you said that she was so scared that she her kids would be killed that she complied.

Who scared her, why, when, how - what about - none of this you covered.

Nope, try again, i did not say that.

As for your questions, answer them yourself, it's kidsplay stuff.

 

[fela fan]

Indeed he did!

*awaits some Olympian wriggling from ff

C'mon, evidence that i said that please.

But do be careful, otherwise you will be shown to have not read or understood plain english well enough. Tread carefully.

Meanwhile, give us the facts please, then we can all see how wrong we are and debate something else. You said you had them mate...

 

[butchersapron]

Nope, try again, i did not say that.

As for your questions, answer them yourself, it's kidsplay stuff.

You did as it goes. Have you had knock to your head recently. I would advise the DR to see.

So are you unable to answer my questions or just simply refusing to fela?

 

[Lock&Light]

As for those words you endlessly post up, 'groundless, fact-free wild speculation', well, c'mon, you've got the facts, post them up then i can stop speculating.

It is you, and your like, who are making the assertions, fela. That means that you, and your like, have to come up with the facts.

Have you still not understood that basic proposition?

 

[fela fan]

Here you are BA and editor, read it again and note the double conditional in the first sentence.

"Assuming that kelly was bumped off, then it would make good sense to ensure his wife does not cause any problems for the state. A quick word in her ear that her children's lives are at risk if she speaks out, and hey presto!"

Nor anything about her being scared, or even 'so scared'.

 

[butchersapron]

C'mon, evidence that i said that please.

But do be careful, otherwise you will be shown to have not read or understood plain english well enough. Tread carefully.

Meanwhile, give us the facts please, then we can all see how wrong we are and debate something else. You said you had them mate...

Do you write this tripe yourself? Do you think it makes any sense?

 

[fela fan]

You did as it goes. Have you had knock to your head recently. I would advise the DR to see.

So are you unable to answer my questions or just simply refusing to fela?

I didn't as it goes. You need some reading lessons. See my refutation just above.

As for those kids questions you asked, no i'm not going to answer them. I told you, it's the stuff that children could do.

Now off you go mate, go get some reading lessons.

 

[fela fan]

Do you write this tripe yourself? Do you think it makes any sense?

Regardless of what i write, you can't read properly. Go on, go get some reading lessons.

 

[butchersapron]

Here you are BA and editor, read it again and note the double conditional in the first sentence.

"Assuming that kelly was bumped off, then it would make good sense to ensure his wife does not cause any problems for the state. A quick word in her ear that her children's lives are at risk if she speaks out, and hey presto!"

Nor anything about her being scared, or even 'so scared'.

Oh, the suggestion would be that she was so happy to have a word in her ear, and that the content of that discusion was that her kids would be going to uni full grant etc.

Thanks for that fela. That's you done isn't it?