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David Shayler says he's the New Messiah

nosos said:
What drives this? Is it a product of modern politics failing to provide forms of political identification & interaction which can motivate people and leave them feeling involved? There’s a massive sense of identification and personal involvement with a uniquely important cause. Is this sublimation of a desire for political participation? If we had some sort of genuinely participatory democracy, or even simply reverted to a situation of genuinely adversarial politics, would the conspiracy theorists stop being drawn into this?
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good question (though i'm a bit too pissed to answer it - 8.00 :oops: ). Would these people have been in/on the edges of the labour movement in the 70s and 80s? Alternatively, would they have been frothing away on the far right about zionistic communism? I'm not quite sure where they sit now - just in some internet intellectual void that doesn't understand the basic concept of ideology. If they did, they'd be able to distinguish between the operation of social forces and ... bollocks.

E2a: that post was going quite well till i ran out of steam at the end
 
I think some of them would have been wandering around with Co-op carrier bags bursting with their "research".

Sitting in libraries, assured of space to spread out their "research" by the stench.

Hogging the photcopier for hours as they distributed another five sets of the 20cm-thick "Nugget File" - the proof that Marilyn Monroe killed the Mafia because of her love for Bobby Kennedy, the Once and Future President who awaits us under the Grassy Knoll if we can only decode the abstract dalmatian-dappled photocopier art into which that notorious State Department telex degraded eleven copy generations ago (have I got this right?)

Some of them were doing all these things. Some still are.

I don't know whether there are more of them now, or whether it's just that they congregate more.
 
laptop said:
I think some of them would have been wandering around with Co-op carrier bags bursting with their "research".

Sitting in libraries, assured of space to spread out their "research" by the stench.

Hogging the photcopier for hours as they distributed another five sets of the 20cm-thick "Nugget File" - the proof that Marilyn Monroe killed the Mafia because of her love for Bobby Kennedy, the Once and Future President who awaits us under the Grassy Knoll if we can only decode the abstract dalmatian-dappled photocopier art into which that notorious State Department telex degraded eleven copy generations ago (have I got this right?)

Some of them were doing all these things. Some still are.

I don't know whether there are more of them now, or whether it's just that they congregate more.
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:D

Well, its :D but its also interesting. I was wondering about the fate of the 'psychologically enthusiastic' in an internet age in terms of politics and organisations. But in some existential sense, its more intersting in a wider sense. Do the mad live as they did, or do they never leave the internet?

[hang on, how many posts have i made today? :oops: ]
 
Bunches of dicks like hanging out with bunches of dicks who tell them that it's cool to be a dick and that only dicks aren't in the dick gang.

What you say Jazzz?
 
butchersapron said:
Bunches of dicks like hanging out with bunches of dicks who tell them that it's cool to be a dick and that only dicks aren't in the dick gang.

What you say Jazzz?
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Okay, you've rubbed it in - but no need to get the buffing machine ;)
 
No. Nutter. Simple as.

But things happen, that unless you have your ear to a particular wall, well.

Of course, without refutable, testable evidence and analysis, it might as well be bollocks, because we'd be back to the dark ages.

However, because a jury finds a murderer not guilty, doesn't mean he didn't do it. Nor does it bring a victim back to life.

Which is why some people nurse their secrets in private:)
 
butchersapron said:
Come on jazzz, a few words please...
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Nope Jazzz usually buggers off when threads exposed that expose what a loo he is. He flounced off the "media happenings" after architect bitch slapped the bejasus out of him. He ran from the Rodriguez tour thread after refusing to believe William would turn up at a conference with Neo Nazis and members of the SS. Now this. He has trouble dealing with facts, that well, completely refute and destroy his worldview. He just announces that he has evidence and proof of the greatest conspiracy in the history of mankind, he'd prove it mind you, but he's just bored right now. Never mind the pulitzer and rewards he'd get from mankind, mind you. Apathy is the only thing stopping Jazzz from saving the world.
 
Jazzz said:
oh well that's a shame. Bit puzzled though, because I was a lot quicker off the block than Shayler when it came to 9/11? .
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'Quicker off the block' as in 'quicker to believe and regurgitate the idiotic bullshit already posted on fruitloop websites for the terminally gullible', yes?
 
Sad to see this, but I guess it must be obvious what's happened.

David Shayler, one of the most courageous whistleblowers of our times "goes mad" and MI5 gets off scot free - all allegations hereby 'discredited'

That the spooks themselves might have been doctoring his tea with psychedelics is, of course, absolutely unthinkable. Western Security Services would never do that to a free citizen without their knowledge.

Hang on...
 
if6were9 said:
Sad to see this, but I guess it must be obvious what's happened.

David Shayler, one of the most courageous whistleblowers of our times "goes mad" and MI5 gets off scot free - all allegations hereby 'discredited'
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"one of the most courageous whistleblowers of our times" LOL!

They must be putting the stuff in your tea too. Bless.
 
if6were9 said:
Sad to see this, but I guess it must be obvious what's happened.

David Shayler, one of the most courageous whistleblowers of our times "goes mad" and MI5 gets off scot free - all allegations hereby 'discredited'

That the spooks themselves might have been doctoring his tea with psychedelics is, of course, absolutely unthinkable. Western Security Services would never do that to a free citizen without their knowledge.

Hang on...
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No, he's been on the psychedelics of his own free will, as testified by many who know him.
 
So I'm looking at Recent Posts and I wonder what else this deeply rational ifNwereM character has posted. Click on the username. Takes me to editor's profile.



Eeek! Someone's been putting hallucinogens in teh computer to discredit it!
 
Shayler was fucking useless as a spook, and he's even more fucking useless as a nutcase fruitloop.
 
if6were9 said:
"free" will;)
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Are you saying he was force fed hem?
Or that 'free' will is an illusion, especially when dealing with the mystical revelations of the sacred mushroom?
 
Crispy said:
Are you saying he was force fed hem?
Or that 'free' will is an illusion, especially when dealing with the mystical revelations of the sacred mushroom?
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All I'm saying, is, if the spooks wanted to spike him they would. If they wanted to spike him and find a way to make it look like he was spiking himself...

Do you think they're above that sort of thing;)
 
if6were9 said:
All I'm saying, is, if the spooks wanted to spike him they would. If they wanted to spike him and find a way to make it look like he was spiking himself...
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So, not a scrap of evidence, just some ill-thought out paranoid conspiraloon whitterings in piss-weak defence of that tosser Shayler.
 

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if6were9 said:
All I'm saying, is, if the spooks wanted to spike him they would. If they wanted to spike him and find a way to make it look like he was spiking himself...

Do you think they're above that sort of thing;)
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How exactly the fuck do you make it look like someone's doing it to themselves? Invisible gun in the small of the back and "eat the mushroom dave, eat it. eat the mushroom dave. and not a word of this to anyone, you hear?"

It's not like he's been doing this on his own, in private. And if he has been somehow tricked, how come this legend of conspiracy uncovering didn't see it coming?
 
the role of LSD, often given to unwitting experimental subjects as part of Project MK-ULTRA by the CIA and its role in the death of the scientist Dr. Frank Olson. As part of the CIA's experiments with LSD, Dr. Sid Gottlieb tested the drug on unknowing subjects including Olson. Later Olson was to develop signs of paranoia and depression, eventually leading him to jump to his death from a New York building. Olson's death was covered up by the CIA; however, it was later revealed that an allergist (who also experimented with LSD) had been treating him for depression (ironically!).

;)
 
if6were9 said:
All I'm saying, is, if the spooks wanted to spike him they would. If they wanted to spike him and find a way to make it look like he was spiking himself...

Do you think they're above that sort of thing;)
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Whoever you are, flower, you seem not to have considered the possibility that Shayler is not as distant from the spooks as he claims to be. Whether you agree or not, the possibility, and the multiple twists/turns/lies/evasions of Shayler have been extensively analysed in various editions of Notes From the Borderland magazine www.borderland.co.uk), and pointed questions about his/Machon's infiltration of 9/11 cult circles are asked in the article online here www.911cultwatch.org.uk. Why not deal with them, before you pronounce the False Flag Messiah has saved us all?
 
Crispy said:
*waves* hellooooo! observed facts calling!
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No, look. Have you seen "The Manchurian Candidate" with Frank Sinatra?

Very good film, based on real experiments the red Chinese were taking at the time to alter peoples brains to make them look like they were acting out of their free will but were being operated by remote, so to speak.

I think it was Frank Sinatra:confused:

Anyway, it was based on a true story and real Cold War special sevices capabilities. Are you telling me they've somehow been lost, or vanished?:eek:

I don't think so;)
 
Meanwhile in Larryworld, anyone who's ever met a spook is In The Files as a spook asset. Forever. Especially me :D

The simple explanation that Shayler was a bumbling fool when he joined MI5, left, and has been going further and further off the rails ever since... not enough parapolitical fodder in there.

I know! He's still working for Five, and now he's tasked with surveillance and disruption of the pixies away with whom he is!
 
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