David Shayler says he's the New Messiah

[butchersapron]

False flag messiah i think.

 

[Crispy]

Somewhere in all this, amongst the debunking of conspiracy theories and the schadenfreude, there is a person with severe mental health problems.

yep. I have no idea if the halucinogens are a cause, or if he's self medicating, but it can't be good for him.

 

[Wilf]

Somewhere in all this, amongst the debunking of conspiracy theories and the schadenfreude, there is a person with severe mental health problems.

True - but the natural law of schadenfreude give us 3 pages of laughing first.
And while he's not at the top of my 'people to feel sorry for' list, it is still a tragedy for him and his family.

Psychologically, I guess its not too much of a leap. Those who get into the 'I alone know the real truth' are always going to be in danger of going over the edge. Sounds similar to the process Icke went through.

But yes, in the end i do feel sorry for him

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Sounds similar to the process Icke went through.

But yes, in the end i do feel sorry for him

Those were my thoughts as well.

 

[Idaho]

Psychologically, I guess its not too much of a leap. Those who get into the 'I alone know the real truth' are always going to be in danger of going over the edge. Sounds similar to the process Icke went through.

The whole conspiracy mindset is essentially a (usually benign) kind of mental illness. I won't attempt to use the technical terms, but it's anti-social, mistrusting and about in-crowds and outsiders.

 

[editor]

But yes, in the end i do feel sorry for him

Me too, but I wonder how much hurt him and his fellow loons do when they go around accusing people of lying?

Some of the 9/11 scumbags claim that people were too stupid to recognise the calls from the 9/11 planes were in fact made by CIA Imposters and not their loved ones. Twats.

 

[Wilf]

The whole conspiracy mindset is essentially a (usually benign) kind of mental illness. I won't attempt to use the technical terms, but it's anti-social, mistrusting and about in-crowds and outsiders.

... and an automatic tendency to reclassify criticism and counter evidence as essentially part of the original conspiracy - a weird feedback loop that pushes them further and further away from normal exchanges with the world.

 

[Wilf]

Me too, but I wonder how much hurt him and his fellow loons do when they go around accusing people of lying?

Some of the 9/11 scumbags claim that people were too stupid to recognise the calls from the 9/11 planes were in fact made by CIA Imposters and not their loved ones. Twats.

Well, yes. In the main I'm happy to let them conspiraloon away without getting stuck in. But its a bit different when they hurt real people. Even closer to home than 9/11, i thought all the 7/7 nonsense was vastly offensive to people who had lost relatives or been injured in London.

 

[Structaural]

from that site:

This is the latest in a long and ever increasing catalogue of errors.
Most recently you may remember the radio 4 interview with Jon Ronson and Rachel North London where Rachel made an allegation that the UK truth movement thinks the bus was made of cardboard and that she was an amalgamation of several people.
Shaylor said to Ronson that he believes she is several people and there is no evidence the bus is not fake.

Stick him in a shell suit from asda and you have a bargain basement David Icke. I think the movement needs to modernise and move on. We have important work that needs to be done, we have an important message that needs to be delivered and if we cock up our country could be destroyed right under our noses.
So we have to look at the big picture and exclude the poor mans David Icke from our thoughts. The damage he can inflict far outweighs any benefits. In fact many people avoid us simply because of him.

It it offends thee pluck it out and throw it away.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

And where's Larry O'H for his final moment of triumph?

passing through....Perhaps, in the end, the best way out of the accumulated lies/inconsistencies/evasions Shayler has been purveying all these years is to feign lunacy, as in the case of this performance. The purpose would be to retrospectively pretend he hasn't been engaged in an operation the last few years. On a factual note, the latest NFB reviews 'Mind the Gap' (which Shayler narrates) & 'Ludicrous Diversion', both DVD's covering 7/7. We are not kind, but certainly fair....Wonder what Animation's excuse for her behaviour is going to be??

 

[editor]

Well, yes. In the main I'm happy to let them conspiraloon away without getting stuck in. But its a bit different when they hurt real people. Even closer to home than 9/11, i thought all the 7/7 nonsense was vastly offensive to people who had lost relatives or been injured in London.

Badger Kitten's treatment from some of these loathsome fuckwits was particularly offensive and in extreme bad taste.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

yep. I have no idea if the halucinogens are a cause, or if he's self medicating.

salvia divinorum, I believe (as does Heidi S & she really knows her stuff)....

 

[sorearm]

Pmsl

 

[Jazzz]

oh dear.

 

[Balbi]

oh dear.

Come on Jazzz

 

[laptop]

Those who get into the 'I alone know the real truth' are always going to be in danger of going over the edge. Sounds similar to the process Icke went through.

I fear that 'I alone know the real truth' is merely the first symptom at onset of the condition.

 

[butchersapron]

oh dear.

Why the oh dear Jazzz?

 

[butchersapron]

I fear that 'I alone know the real truth' is merely the first symptom at onset of the condition.

...made worse by touring round the country smoking skunk and doing mushrooms whilst being told, 'only you know the truth' (and us who are paying for this, by extension) - a huge amount of 'if only i could touch the hem of his garment' - and you, jazz, got suckered, one way or the other.

 

[Iam]

Tell you what, let's chuck him in a cave and seal it with a fuckoff huge boulder.

If he can get out I'll believe him.

Hmmm. Didn't stop Rambo, did it?

 

[Dillinger4]

Hmmm. Didn't stop Rambo, did it?

Rambo is obviously the messiah.

 

[8den]

oh dear.

Not having the best month are you Jazzz? Firstly noble William Rodrigeuz is hanging out with Neo Nazi's and former Waffen SS soldiers and now this.

Awwwww still you can still carry the burden of troof with your piano boogie.

 

[chilango]

<biblical scholar geek mode>

In order for the Messiah to come to earth there must be a situation where there is perfect peace. In other words not even a cat will chase a mouse. Therefore he is not the messiah just a very naughty conspiraloon.

Isaiah 11:6-8 (New International Version)

6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling [a] together;
and a little child will lead them.

That's the UN...

7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

That's post Soviet realignment in Asia (Russo - Indian energy deals and the like)

8 The infant will play near the hole of the cobra,
and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest.

That's...er...when Steve Irwin had his kid on his TV program or something?

These are the conditions that must be in effect throughout the world for the Messiah to come.

So Sahyler could be the Messiah then?

 

[Badger Kitten]

The rum thing is he said recently that I was mentally ill

 

[Badger Kitten]

Thing is he's been showing signs for ages and yet people from the bloody ''Truth'' Movement have just indulged his grandiosity and paranoia, and continue to do so even now, when it is bloody obvious that the man is losing it.

There seem to be a lot of people on the 9/11 forum confusing ''breakdowns'' with ''breakthroughs''. It's all a bit sad.

It's folie a deux on an epic scale.

edit;spelling

 

[butchersapron]

...or is it?

 

[Jazzz]

...made worse by touring round the country smoking skunk and doing mushrooms whilst being told, 'only you know the truth' (and us who are paying for this, by extension) - a huge amount of 'if only i could touch the hem of his garment' - and you, jazz, got suckered, one way or the other.

oh well that's a shame. Bit puzzled though, because I was a lot quicker off the block than Shayler when it came to 9/11? You must be right though.

 

[butchersapron]

What do you mean?

When did you notice signs of this crisis and stop using him as a source?

 

[butchersapron]

oh well that's a shame. Bit puzzled though, because I was a lot quicker off the block than Shayler when it came to 9/11? You must be right though.

What am i right about btw?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Before they censor/pull/move it, you might be amused by the little Molotov I've just thrown into the enemy arsenal on the relevant thread in the 9/11 Forum. Towards the bottom of page 4 (at the moment) http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10579&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

 

[nosos]

I think the movement needs to modernise and move on. We have important work that needs to be done, we have an important message that needs to be delivered and if we cock up our country could be destroyed right under our noses.

What drives this? Is it a product of modern politics failing to provide forms of political identification & interaction which can motivate people and leave them feeling involved? There’s a massive sense of identification and personal involvement with a uniquely important cause. Is this sublimation of a desire for political participation? If we had some sort of genuinely participatory democracy, or even simply reverted to a situation of genuinely adversarial politics, would the conspiracy theorists stop being drawn into this?