David Icke: Was he right? C5 11pm (boxing day)

[Jazzz]

And you assume that it does. You're exactly what you claim to be against, just a mirror image.

I don't present such assumptions as argument.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I don't present such assumptions as argument.

You're really outdoing yourself there.

 

[mikeinworthing]

I’ve been watching Al Jazeera a fair bit recently, and finding their coverage of world news and in particular that concerning Iraq very refreshing and interesting.

But, even they are not claiming there’s any question over the fact that it was Saddam that was hang the other day – Jazzz you are a nutter.

 

[editor]

But, even they are not claiming there’s any question over the fact that it was Saddam that was hang the other day

Sssscchhh! That's because Al Jazeera must be in on it too!

 

[mikeinworthing]

Sssscchhh! That's because Al Jazeera must be in on it too!

Shit, I didn't think of that.

Of course, they are clearly controlled by the lizards too.

 

[smokedout]

careful mike, i suspect the editors working for the reptiles

you cant trust anyone

 

[mikeinworthing]

careful mike, i suspect the editors working for the reptiles

you cant trust anyone

Working for them?

He is clearly one!

Look into the dreads, look into the dreads.

 

[smokedout]

hey careful, ive got dreads too

luckily they're good aryan dreads decended from lemuria, not like those dirty jewish (shit sorry) reptillian dreads the editor's got

 

[Jazzz]

I’ve been watching Al Jazeera a fair bit recently, and finding their coverage of world news and in particular that concerning Iraq very refreshing and interesting.

But, even they are not claiming there’s any question over the fact that it was Saddam that was hang the other day – Jazzz you are a nutter.

Ha! I could go to town on this post alone. But let's just say... "It must be true, after all, everyone on the telly says so". Wonder what Orwell, or Shaw would make of that. Who needs the internet?

 

[editor]

Ha! I could go to town on this post alone. But let's just say... "It must be true, after all, everyone on the telly says so". Wonder what Orwell, or Shaw would make of that. Who needs the internet?

Or, as in Jazzz's world, "it must be true because I've seen it on some ridiculous loonspud website!"

So why do you think you know better than the Iraqi people on this one, Jazzz?

Some people suffered immensely at the hands of Saddam and they've got a damn sight more cause to be looking very, very close at his death.

And I'd bet they'd really appreciate you telling them that the murderer of their families is in fact still roaming free because it was just a poor patsy who died based on, well, absolutely fuck all in the way of proof.

This is just like your Huntley claims all over again and you don't give a fuck who you offend by publishing your weird, fact-free, paranoid fantasies.

 

[Jazzz]

Not from the body, no. Saddam's doubles were the best going, and they had plastic surgery to make them as close as possible.

<snip> blah, blah, blah!

I am glad the ed replied first – saves me wasting my life.

You really are a comic, but I wouldn’t give up the day job if I were you.

Comical? Hmmm. I don't blame you for thinking that, but you are clearly not familiar with the guy's regular use of his doubles.

Experts say that apart from the way the bodyguards and the cameramen behave, there is often little way for the public to detect which Saddam is before them. The reason is that the doubles -- who are chosen from among men who closely look like the president -- have undergone extensive plastic surgery to further refine the resemblance. One man, Abdul-Latif, defected from Iraq in the mid-1990s after years working as a double for Saddam's son Uday. He said he fled partly to avoid undergoing yet another painful operation to make him even more closely resemble his master.

In an effort to learn more about Saddam's use of doubles, the German public television station ZDF recently asked a forensic specialist to make a scientific study of some 30 films of the Iraqi president taken from 1988 to late last month. The expert, Dieter Buhmann of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Saarland University in Homburg/Saar, found that the pictures reveal there are as many as three Saddam doubles who regularly take the president's place.

Buhmann described his work in a recent interview with RFE/RL: "I received 30 films from ZDF made during the period from 1988 to September 21 of this year, and in those films in which the picture quality was particularly good I found three doubles."

Buhmann says he found the doubles by looking for pairs of pictures in which Saddam's pose was essentially the same. Using a computer graphic program, the scientist marked each picture to highlight such features as the length and width of the head, the size of the eyelids and nostrils, and the forms of the ears and chin. By then overlaying the two pictures, he was able to calculate how closely the features matched, indicating whether the person in the pictures was the same man or not.

http://www.rferl.org/features/2002/10/09102002155130.asp

 

[Jazzz]

Or, as in Jazzz's world, "it must be true because I've seen it on some ridiculous loonspud website!"

So why do you think you know better than the Iraqi people on this one, Jazzz?

Why do YOU think you know better than HIS WIFE? Hmmmm?

 

[Jazzz]

Saddam's wife could not recognize her husband

Last week, American authorities arranged a meeting of the former Iraqi dictator with his wife.

She was the first of Hussein’s relatives to meet with the ex-leader of Iraq at a new place, at the American military base in Qatar. Accompanied by Sheikh Hamad Al-Tani, Sajida Heiralla Tuffah has arrived from Syria on his private jet in the end of March.

The outcome of their meeting turned out to be quite scandalous. Sajina claims that the person she encountered was not her husband, but his double. If someone were to say for sure that it was not insinuation, it would have been easy to believe the wife with a 25-year experience. It is also possible to assume that Saddam has simply changed since the day of his sons' deaths, June 24 2003. This however is highly unlikely. In case we believe Hussein’s wife, all DNA testing of the ex-Iraqi leader should be considered a mere fake. Overall, today there remain more questions then there are answers.

On the other hand however, those statements of Hussein's wife can in fact be quite understandable. After all, this is the easiest way to demoralize an enemy.

Hussein's younger daughter Hala has also arrived at the base in Qatar along with Saddam Hussein's two grandsons and two sisters, total of eight people. They were all invited by Shekh’s wife Muza to stay in one of the palaces. Eldest daughters Ragad and Rada along with five Hussein’s grandchildren have recently arrived to Doha from Jordan.

“Elaf” newspaper writes that, most likely, the entire Hussein's family will stay in Qatar permanently.

Saddam Hussein was captured by the American forces in December 2003 and held in one of the palaces in Baghdad in a region controlled by the coalition forces. Afterward, due to security reasons, he was transferred to the American military base in Qatar, where he is expected to remain until the trial.

Maxim Pogodin
13.04.2004

http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/12494_saddam.html

 

[editor]

http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/12494_saddam.html

Any chance of a slightly more credible source for this ancient story please?

Naturally, you'll be completely ignoring the hundreds - if not thousands - of people who knew Saddam well and who saw him in captivity, and the tens of millions who saw him on TV, yes?

Why is that, exactly? Even if that story is actually true, it wouldn't take a genius to work out why it might have been made up.

 

[editor]

Meanwhile, in the real world:

Saddam met with two of his half-brothers on Thursday and passed on personal messages to his family, a lawyer said.

Badie Aref, one of Saddam's lawyers, said the rare meeting with maternal half-brothers Sabawi and Watban Ibrahim Hassanal-Tikriti, who are in U.S. custody, was at the request of the ousted Iraqi leader and took place inside his heavily guarded prison cell in Baghdad.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16384738/

Funny how they didn't seem to notice they were talking to a Mike Yarwood version of their half brother!

And have you any idea why no one in Iraq seems to have notice what you're claiming?

I'd guess it's really rather important to a lot of people there, so why do you think they're not too bothered about checking, like clever ol'you?

 

[Yossarian]

I wouldn’t believe anything from that source where the Saddam's wife story came from – and that’s the *only* place that story appeared.

Pravda.ru looks to be well dodgy – it’s certainly no relation to the famous Russian newspaper called Pravda. The front page of Pravda.ru’s English-language version contains links to its ‘information partners’ – including Steve Quayle, who believes that 30-foot tall giants once roamed the earth committing unspeakable acts, and that they’d due to return any day now.

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/index2.html

 

[editor]

Pravda.ru looks to be well dodgy – it’s certainly no relation to the famous Russian newspaper called Pravda. The front page of Pravda.ru’s English-language version contains links to its ‘information partners’ – including Steve Quayle, who believes that 30-foot tall giants once roamed the earth committing unspeakable acts, and that they’d due to return any day now.

Whoops! Jazzz in yet another "hasn't bothered to check the credibility of his sources" shocker!

Do you reckon Quayle's 30-foot tall giants might be teaming up with Icke's lizards? Perhaps L Ron Hubbard will buzz in on a spaceship too?

 

[Jazzz]

I wouldn’t believe anything from that source where the Saddam's wife story came from – and that’s the *only* place that story appeared.

I won't deny that pravda.ru has some wacky stuff, for sure Yossarian. But then again - there was only one mainstream media I can recall that was openly ridiculing the US propaganda in the run-up to the Iraq War. And that was - you guessed it - pravda.ru

Western media was all wrong, pravda.ru was right. One cannot dismiss it quite so simply.

Here's an example:

Author
Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY
Date Created
05 Feb 2003

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/02/05/43044.html
23:19 2003-02-05

Powell's Fairy Tales: Puerile and Patronising

The 'evidence' which was presented to the United Nations Security Council today by Colin Powell was a miscellany of obscure recordings which were misinterpreted by the US Secretary of State and risible satellite photographs which bore a strange resemblance to those which had been taken in Afghanistan two years before.

[etc...]

e2a - It's worth quoting the end of that article:

... This presentation of “hard evidence” is a tissue of lies, gossip, misinterpretation, cynical manoeuvring and possibly even misrepresentation, aimed at providing a case for a war against Iraq. The UN Security Council is not a kindergarten or a scout camp. The international community is not a class of primary school pupils to be lectured in this way by an incompetent teacher. Were this the case, Colin Powell would be the one to have a donkey’s tail pinned to his trousers when he turned around to illustrate his great case against Iraq.

If people believe this report, they will believe that there are fairies at the end of the garden. Colin Powell has managed to allow himself and his image descend from a respected world-class diplomat to some sort of confused, rambling and unconvincing Peter Pan.

Absolute gold dust compared with anything our papers came out with.

 

[Yossarian]

I
Western media was all wrong, pravda.ru was right. One cannot dismiss it quite so simply.

There was loads of scepticism in all kinds of Western media about the justification and evidence for going to war as well, and I think even a brief look at Pravda.ru shows it can’t really be considered a media outlet that can be taken seriously – sure, Bancroft-Hinchey makes some valid points, but since the site openly invites anyone reading it to submit news stories of their own, I don’t think an article appearing on there means much more than anything appearing on a personal blog.

If you have an article that you would like to share with the rest of the world and see it published on the main page of Pravda.Ru, please feel free to make a submission by sending an attached Word file of your article.

 

[Jazzz]

well fair point Yoss but I must say that Tim B-H in pravda.ru was way ahead of all western media who - if not being entirely compliant - were certainly not accusing Colin Powell of being the double-dealing toerag that we know he was.

Here's a pic: yes, Joe Vialls I know, but hey

 

[Jazzz]

In addition to that story from his wife, we have this from his mistress of 30 years, although I can't link to the original report:

EX-MISTRESS SAYS IT WAS A DOUBLE

ABC News, March 21, 2003 - Excerpts only...

Parisoula Lampsos, who says she was Saddam's mistress over a period of nearly 30 years, told U.S. officials and ABCNEWS that the man who appeared on TV was not Saddam.

For starters, she said, the real Saddam has an unusual tattoo: two dots on his left hand that he received in prison years ago. But his eyes are the real giveaway, she said.

http://www.nnseek.com/e/us.military/they_hung_saddam_s_double_65269021t.html

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/12494_saddam.html

So if it's an impostor, should we be getting so upset about the execution video?

Because it's just another iraqi peasant dying, apparently, and that happens every day.

 

[Pavlik]

I haven't declared myself to be important, the Son Of God, or the knower of 'the truth' so why the fuck should I give a shit what a mouthy, no-mark oik like you thinks?

likewise

 

[editor]

I won't deny that pravda.ru has some wacky stuff, for sure Yossarian.

But that won't stop you relying on it as the sole source of your story, eh?

 

[editor]

likewise

You've already made that 'point', you tedious twat.

 

[Jazzz]

Meanwhile, in the real world:

Saddam met with two of his half-brothers on Thursday and passed on personal messages to his family, a lawyer said.

Badie Aref, one of Saddam's lawyers, said the rare meeting with maternal half-brothers Sabawi and Watban Ibrahim Hassanal-Tikriti, who are in U.S. custody, was at the request of the ousted Iraqi leader and took place inside his heavily guarded prison cell in Baghdad.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16384738/

Funny how they didn't seem to notice they were talking to a Mike Yarwood version of their half brother!

Relatives of Saddam in US custody who could be executed if they sneezed in the wrong place do what they are told shocker!

 

[editor]

Relatives of Saddam in US custody who could be executed if they sneezed in the wrong place do what they are told shocker!

Jazzz knows the truth while the whole of Iraq (and the world) is fooled by a crude deception, first uncovered by Joe "compulsive liar" Vialls shocker!

 

[Blagsta]

Not from the body, no. Saddam's doubles were the best going, and they had plastic surgery to make them as close as possible. Indeed one used to play the role of the ex-CIA man in diplomatic functions. As it is, we have the word of the US military that a DNA test matched, and call me suspicious but I don't trust them personally to tell the truth about anything. When he was captured I didn't think it was him and there's nothing in his trial or execution to say otherwise. Interestingly the man in the dock didn't even confirm his identity as Saddam Hussein!

As I said to you on New Year - you're an OK guy, but you're completely fucking nuts.

 

[Pavlik]

You've already made that 'point', you tedious twat.

your issues are showing ed

 

[editor]

your issues are showing ed

It's clear that you're only interested in having at a pop at me, as your last three 'contributions' prove.

And that makes you very, very boring.