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David Icke: Was he right? C5 11pm (boxing day)

smokedout said:
in response to larry, i think its easy to see that much of ickes chat is similiar to the more esoteric end of nazism, i think he fetishises race and almost certainly has a degree of anti-semetic beliefs

he writes very clumsily about race and at times is openly anti-semetic

he also endorses all the crap about lemuria, atlantic etc ... and we know well where that leads

however, i disagree about the codewords and i do not think anti-semetism or any kind of mystical nazism is his guiding agenda, i think he's thick

he takes from whatever fits his creation, the left or the right, thats not to say hes mad, i dont think he is

hes caught onto something that has made him a lot of cash and given him status and influence amongst certain people, hes kind of like a cult leader, not mad, just very much acting out of self-interest and a desire to maintain what hes created

he also didnt invent reptiles, evil transdimensional beings controlling the plant is an idea thats millenia old, he just made it a bit techno and ufo types were banging on about reptillians long before him, the rest he got off 'V'

he ripped off everything he ever wrote from people who at least went to the trouble to make it up themselves
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It's the eternal question, isn't it - "is he really a nazi, or is he just fucking nuts"?

To be honest I'm not sure, and I suspect he may just be fucking nuts and very gullible, but after a while it stops mattering - certain nazis love him, they're there at his lectures saying "aye aye, we know what you mean, lizards eh" <taps nose> "jews innit, nice one Dave". And he has no interest in dissuading them it appears; when some mainstream interviewer mentions it he denies it, but he's quite happy to share platforms with the dodgiest of fuckers. If he's a willing promoter of Nazi shite, he's part of the problem.
 
smokedout said:
in response to larry, i think its easy to see that much of ickes chat is similiar to the more esoteric end of nazism, i think he fetishises race and almost certainly has a degree of anti-semetic beliefs

he writes very clumsily about race and at times is openly anti-semetic

he also endorses all the crap about lemuria, atlantic etc ... and we know well where that leads

however, i disagree about the codewords and i do not think anti-semetism or any kind of mystical nazism is his guiding agenda, i think he's thick
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He's certainly no Nazi--can you see the SS in Turquoise? On a serious note, he started off with the anti-Jewish stuff & then started using the reptile thing when he came to grief over this. If you look at his books, the reptile code boils down to Jews in the end--and not just because of the Protocols being used.

he takes from whatever fits his creation, the left or the right, thats not to say hes mad, i dont think he is

hes caught onto something that has made him a lot of cash and given him status and influence amongst certain people, hes kind of like a cult leader, not mad, just very much acting out of self-interest and a desire to maintain what hes created

he also didnt invent reptiles, evil transdimensional beings controlling the plant is an idea thats millenia old, he just made it a bit techno and ufo types were banging on about reptillians long before him, the rest he got off 'V'

he ripped off everything he ever wrote from people who at least went to the trouble to make it up themselves
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I agree with this. He isn't original--but then, neither was Hitler or Thatcher etc: leaders don't need to be to have effects. While his main motive is getting money/power, nonetheless the irresponsible way he panders to prejudice to do this makes him unacceptable.
 
I've read his past 5 books and honestly don't see the anti semitism. Not knowing any neo nazis i don't know if they'd enjoy one of his books like they would the daily mail.

The point about the lizards is that we're basically living in an illusion that is comprised of different levels. Whether he's right or not i couldn't say, but the idea interests me, and did before i read any of his books.
 
Blagsta said:
Ahhhhh. So you now you think its a much better tactic to make people think you're a raving loon.
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No, you miss the point which is that having people constantly having potshots has become really rather tiresome.
 
TBH...I'm not at all surprised that people resign themselves to believe that alien lizards have come and taken over the 'world' as it's a actually more digestible than accepting that the 'decision makers' are actually feeling caring, human beings given the present state and level of depraved atrocities being commited 'under' the guise of freedom and democracy.....


that is all...........................Happy New Fear!
 
editor said:
Curse me for asking those pesky questions, eh?

I mean, what a cheek!

The audacity of me to ask for something as trivial as the name of this amazing document, who wrote it and some sort of indication as to the author's credibility!

Perhaps you'd prefer it if I just blindly accepted any old horseshit posted up on the internet like you, eh? After all, if Joe "No facts" Vialls is good enough for you, who am I to quibble?
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You were being really arsey. Threads are like pub conversations, really, why seek to ridicule so much? If someone said 'I read something the other day in the paper' at the pub, you wouldn't feel necessary to demand that the guy fill in some huge questionnaire about it. Your tactics in these threads are antagonistic and without respect that others may disagree with you.

Of course, the nadir of your posting behaviour is when, because people aren't indulging your endless questioning, you bin the thread! I've just been looking for 'Boston Air Traffic Controller' where I was making you look rather silly - not only did you bin that one, you've wiped it from the record! Shame. :rolleyes:
 
Jazzz said:
I've just been looking for 'Boston Air Traffic Controller' where I was making you look rather silly - not only did you bin that one, you've wiped it from the record! Shame. :rolleyes:
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Rarely have I met a 'truth seeker' as relentlessly clueless, stupid and as incompetent as you.

The thread has neither been binned or "wiped from the record" - all that happened in your reality-untroubled, conspiraloon-tastic paranoid mind, I'm afraid,

The thread is here where it's always been:
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=188814&

I trust you'll have the decency to apologise for your stupidity.

Maybe you should also have a little think about whether you're cut out for this 'truth seeking' lark seeing as you're clearly too incompetent to even use a simple search box.

Oh, and are you still convinced that Saddam is still alive and well and it was just some poor little confused 'patsy' who got executed instead?
 
Jazzz said:
ah okay, the thread was closed rather than binned, fair enough. I apologise for the unfair insinuation.
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Thank you. If only you'd bothered to do some basic research you would have saved yourself the embarrassment, but then this kind of 'accuse first, check later' nonsense isa familiar story with you.

But what about Saddam?

Do you still believe it was a poor confused "patsy" that got executed, or is this yet another of your fruitloop yarns that you even you realise is a big pile of stinky conspira-turdery and now you're trying to ignore it?
 
smokedout said:
hes caught onto something that has made him a lot of cash and given him status and influence amongst certain people, hes kind of like a cult leader, not mad, just very much acting out of self-interest and a desire to maintain what hes created
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smokedout, you may not remember this guy had risen up through journalism and television to the top of the tree, to presenting 'Grandstand' - if he was after a cushy life, he couldn't have dreamt of anything better. But, he chucked that all away for a life which for years involved having people pointing at him in the street and laughing, and doing speaking tours where he would have to set the chairs up himself and pack them away at the end of the night. I don't think he has much money now - he's currently had a legal fight on his hands for which he's had to appeal for donations.
 
Jazzz said:
But, he chucked that all away for a life which for years involved having people pointing at him in the street and laughing
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....he kept goal for Coventry City - which would have been good training...
 
7 pages in, and this thread is still going. i think you'll find i gave THE DEFINITIVE response towards the beginning.

the answer is still NO.
 
Jazzz said:
I thought I'd told you - you're on 'ignore' :rolleyes:
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Great plan! Ignore everone who asks you questions about your loonery or even dares to disagree, and it will almost seem as if people on these boards actually believe / agree with what you say! genius! Take that, intergalactic lizards!

Also, quoting ed's post so you don't miss out on the delicious irony of your 'I told yuo yuor on ignore' reply:

But what about Saddam?

Do you still believe it was a poor confused "patsy" that got executed, or is this yet another of your fruitloop yarns that you even you realise is a big pile of stinky conspira-turdery and now you're trying to ignore it?
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Honestly jazzz, you conspiranoid sheeple are all the same - cherry-picking your news from odd sources with their own agendas. Why don't you open your eyes? Can't you see what is actually happening? Reality's a nice place, you should visit some time.
 
Jazzz said:
smokedout, you may not remember this guy had risen up through journalism and television to the top of the tree
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Bullshit... he was a tedious little twerp with routine ridicule spots on Swap Shop - and he only got pushed to front Grandstand when Frank Bough got sacked for cocaine binges. He was a crap presenter and his obvious mental illness being revealed publically on Wogan were the end of a mediocre and insincere career at best.

He's just done an L Ron Hubbard is all - written some crap books loosely based on a conspiranoid belief system, to make a bit of real money.

And the sheeple like you are gullible enough to take it seriously, Jazzz.

Good lad - you're doing just what They want you to do...

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Jazzz said:
smokedout, you may not remember this guy had risen up through journalism and television to the top of the tree, to presenting 'Grandstand'
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Yep. Presenting Grandstand surely is the absolute pinnacle of achievement in the entertainment world!

What's his current "legal battle" about?
 
FridgeMagnet said:
It's the eternal question, isn't it - "is he really a nazi, or is he just fucking nuts"?
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I went to two of his lectures. I really don't think he's a nazi. He really does believe they are alien lizards from the 4th dimension. He does criticise Jews but he doesn't holocaust deny or say 'kill them all' which is typically Nazi like behaviour. And proportionally I don't think he criticises Jews more than he criticises anyone else. Generally he targets the ruling elite, whoever they may be, because they have alien blood that allows them to be possessed by 4th dimensional beings. And you have to remember this is all in the context of him actually thinking that they are aliens!!!
 
But i do think he makes some really good points. Everyone has their belief systems. He believes all that weird spiritualist stuff about everyone being perceptions of frequencies etc. (Bill Hicks went on about similar stuff... after he had eaten loads of mushrooms). Is it any weirder than believing in some hippy bloke who came back from the dead? Or running out and burning down churches if anyone draws a pic of your god? Answer: probably yes..
 
Is it any weirder than believing in some hippy bloke who came back from the dead? Or running out and burning down churches if anyone draws a pic of your god? Answer: probably yes..
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i dont think it is any weirder particularly, a lot of esoteric conspiracy theory has its roots in gnostic beliefs, even many christians believe that the devil controls the planet and god the heavens

the problem is not his belief system, which is unconventional and harmless but as fridge says the fact that whateber his true feelings about race he overlooks the fact that much of his work strengthens the far right who take his 'research' seriously

if he just wrote hippy books about consciousness expansion, holographic universes etc hed be just another new agey writer who hadnt really offended anyone

but he brings politics into the fray and his political understanding is based on supposition, paranoia and speculation rather than facts ... he attempts to shape the world based on his belief system rather than base his belief system on the world as he experiences it

the problem being that all the trippy stuff is quite heady to people unfamiliar with those ideas so they often get sucked intothe bullshit with him, often going much further than icke whom i suspect often has his tongue slightly in his cheek

i dont know if he was mad on wogan, ive seen loads of mates go a bit loopy after getting into psychedelics/majick/mysticism/yoga etc they usually come round a bit after a while and start to balance out. icke appears to have done this and being fairly resourceful has turned it into a way to make some cash and feed his seemingly relentless ego

hes always whinged about having no money, but then he also boasts of how many copies of his books are sold around the world, shows off that he regularly fills venues charging a not insignificant sum for tickets and claims his website, which is covered in ads gets 2 million hits a day

do the maths
 
Jazzz said:
No, you miss the point which is that having people constantly having potshots has become really rather tiresome.
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Stop setting yourself up as a target then.
 
Jazzz said:
smokedout, you may not remember this guy had risen up through journalism and television to the top of the tree, to presenting 'Grandstand' - if he was after a cushy life, he couldn't have dreamt of anything better. But, he chucked that all away for a life which for years involved having people pointing at him in the street and laughing,
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No, he had some kind of psychotic break and has been trying to make sense of it.
 
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