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Has Shayler Lost the Plot?

@TeeJay... thanks for yr post. if what u say about cannabis use is true, that puts a whole different spin on things for me...

I think shayler's assessment of 911, and general MI5 tactics is spot on... throw in a little tetrahydrol cannabinol though, and u can get some odd distortions, like 'holograms around missiles'...

I still think he has interesting things to say, but I fear this comment may become his personal 'shape-shifting lizards', or achilles heel...

now I am havin' a break!
 
editor said:
You're as bad as Shayler.
:rolleyes:

It hasn't been "censored" at all. It's still there. Everyone can see it.

All I've done is remove the live link, and that's because a site as busy as urban is likely to show up in their logs.

And if that happens, there's an increased likelihood of more fruitloops crawling over here and guess what - I don't fancy having to deal with them. And yes. My site, my fucking extra hard work.

:mad:
I don't think it's even remotely likely we're going to be bothered by posters from 911myths.com because - thankfully - most normal people don't act like conspiraloons on these boards.

The Ed spanked my ass for linking to the BNP site recently. I was a little puzzled why this was done, then someone posted the above reason. Seems a fair enough reason to me - and anyway as the Ed says you don't need to remove the refernce to the site you only have to remove the hyperlink. Easy peasy and eveyone is happy.
 
Good to be back I suppose. As for David Shayler, he was at the Sunrise festival, having a cheeky smoke and discussing conspiracies. Seemed like a nice chap, but when he mentioned holographic planes I did point out to him that what hit the towers was moving too slowly to be a missile, even one shrouded in a holographic image!

I went away, not thinking he was mad, but more that he was doing a Serpico (The Al Pacino film set in hippie America, when a cop goes undercover to catch the crooks but then goes "native:.

He could still be MI5 and under instruction to feed us misinformation :D

James Whale, Alex Jones, David Shayler, Michael Meacher. Right or wrong on specifics, at least they are speaking openly about the subject, their only possible agenda would be to make money. If that's it, it's really not that bad is it? The only attacks are on the fact they are in it for the money or.....they're MAD :eek:

Unlike George Galloway, who did the usual ad hominem attacks on anyone speaking about 911 conspiracies on his show on Sunday. He even cut me off when I mentioned two activists who were about to celebrate 100 years of Gandhi's non-violent stand against injustice by scaling a London landmark (St Paul's cathedral) and unfurling a banner and how the media surpresses this kind of information.

But then, if anyone is working for MI5, it would be him. He didn't fool us all. :p
 
snouty warthog said:
...people can post a link to <someplace>, but not a website promoting an alternative view?
There is such a thing as reality.

That's not to say that different interpretations of events cannot be debated, but it does rule out some descriptions of reality altogether, no argument. If there is such a thing as reality, stuff can be plumb wrong, you see. And the fact is, theories that claim the WTC towers could not have been felled by a combination of impact, impact blast, and fire are in the plumb wrong category.

The plane weighed 120 tons and was travelling at 500mph. All of that energy was absorbed by the impacted structure. Here's a physical equation ...
What this shows us, if we do the sums, is that the energy in the motion of the plane alone was roughly equilvalent to a couple of 1000lb TNT bombs. Carefully placed, that would be quite sufficient to knock out the support structures and initiate collapse.

Granted, the explosive shock could not be placed precisely enough to guarantee collapse, and indeed the towers withstood the initial impact. They would have stayed standing too, if that initial blast had not ripped the insulation from supporting steel beams and trusses. But it did, and as the exposed beams expanded in the heat, they buckled (just like railway lines used to, in summer heatwaves). As the fire moved on, the buckled trusses contracted again. The immense force in turn pulled the supporting beams out of true. The fantastic weight above was no longer coming straight down the supporting columns but was instead now able to force them sideways till they shattered.

Once collapse had started, more energy was released. Staggeringly more -- there was the equivalent of 272 tons of TNT energy in the structure of one of the towers. Once collapse had started, gravity did the rest, tearing each tower apart and pulverising it to dust and rubble with the equivalent power of 272 tones of high explosives.

source
 
bristol_citizen said:
Are these two things related by any chance?

I smoke spliffs every day and have a fine grounded sense of rational and logic thanks.

I believ the hologram therory though. I have a little hologram, it's embedded in plastic and if you squint a bit and rotate it in and out of the light, you see the truth, a big green skull. If I smoked a lot of really good spliff, (northern lights 5 X Haze perhaps) I am certain I would think there was a real mans head in the litle dongle.;)
 
I "know" spooks/ex spooks who were part of the intake with Shayler and some knew him & GF fairly well.

Without playing the corporate line - these are friends not contacts - by all Shayler always was an attention seeking fellow and some were suprised he made it thro the PV. The drug thing swasnt an issue at the time, as physical tests were not carried out and many spooks do indulge without getting caught.

He doesnt talk some right old toss,but is smart enought to be able to make a living on his infamy - by all accounts he knows nowt that would shake this country to its very roots etc .

I am surprised that people do listen to this utter toss BTW, but we will always have conspiraloons who feel the need to jazz up banal and straighforward events.
 
Novus Ordo Seclorum is a very real ideal for some.

Why is alex jones a racist for saying that mass immigration is being used to create a crisis in America?! The BNP have a decidedly different approach whereby they blame the "failure of multiculturalism" for every evil in society. Trust me I debate them every week, my uni has the largest BNP society of any other in the country. Wankers.
 
zoltan69 said:
I am surprised that people do listen to this utter toss BTW, but we will always have conspiraloons who feel the need to jazz up banal and straighforward events.
I'm not particularly engaging in this discussion anymore, altho I am following it, but I wanted to point out that what happened on september 11th 2001 was neither banal, nor straightforward.
 
warren said:
The truthers need to answer this. Pre-9/11 GWB was an old school right-wing isolationist. domestically, he still is in some respects with his Steel Tarifs etc.

So why would he want to fly planes into America's biggest & most important buildings and turn into a Trotskyist neo-liberal hell bent on WWIII?

WRONG WRONG WRONG

George Bush is not a real conservative, he`s a gun grabbing, open border loving, corporation kissing, government expanding neo-con, war starting neo-con.

Jeez The steel tariffs were a temporary measure, not a concerted effort of protectionism for the good of the nations economy, washington stylee. He`s not an "isolationist", which by the way IS NOT A DIRTY WORD, its a compliment. Means you actually have a brain and some semblance of economic knowledge.

Look at the ports deal, look at the texas highway deal. He`s selling off US infrastructure abroad faster than any president in history, including clinton who was pretty bloody bad.

Sorry...Where were we?

Oh yes 9/11, hijackers get on, gas comes out, drones take over. Hence turns involving over 4g`s don`t have to be ignored anymore.

Holograms?..... nah. I`ve met david shayler, agreed mostly with what he said but always noted that I`d never feel like trusting him. He may just be out there to discredit the truth movement.

Anyone read about Alex Jones` protest outside the Council on Foreign Relations?
Classic.
 
Azrael23 said:
Oh yes 9/11, hijackers get on, gas comes out, drones take over.
Have you got a single, teensy weensy micron of truth for this bizarre claim or is straight out of the loons fairy tale book?

What gas? From where? Who fitted it? How come no one noticed it? And what drones?
 
My evidence extends so far as to confirm that criminal elements in the us government and military, trained and funded the hijackers.

Thats more than enough surely?

My own reasoning is that when people act and those who brought this heinous act into being are arrested, we`ll soon find out the particulars. Which at this time can be little more than conjecture.

You see my point?
 
Azrael23 said:
My evidence extends so far as to confirm that criminal elements in the us government and military, trained and funded the hijackers.
Fruitloop said:
Oh yes 9/11, hijackers get on, gas comes out, drones take over.

You wot? The US gov trained and funded them, then gassed them and used drones instead? You don't have a sodding clue about anything do you.

Edit: Did you ever work out what the plot was in the first place?
 
Azrael23 said:
My evidence extends so far as to confirm that criminal elements in the us government and military, trained and funded the hijackers.

Thats more than enough surely?

My own reasoning is that when people act and those who brought this heinous act into being are arrested, we`ll soon find out the particulars. Which at this time can be little more than conjecture.

You see my point?


No, because you don't provide a jot of evidence. You see the thing about these sort of theories is that they're easier to believe than what we know as the truth. Its too mundane than 9/11 was carried out by 19 fanatics, no, we need holograms, conspiracies and all manner of nonsense which does actually detract from some real questions such as Bush's behaviour or the complete failure of the air force to intercept the hijacked planes.

There's nothing especially wrong with conpiracy theories, we know some are real, but blindly believing all of them is insane and idiotic.
 
Damn right he's a loon. This kind of thing relies on the same logic as creationism/ID - we cant explain X small point, therefore THIS must of happened.

I ended up listening to Galloway's radio show the other day and even he was fending off the nutters ("It's on film - where did all the people go" etc).

Holograms indeed - twat.
 
Azrael23 said:
My evidence extends so far as to confirm that criminal elements in the us government and military, trained and funded the hijackers.

Thats more than enough surely?
I've no idea why you - and your fellow loons - think that making up moronic, fact-free tales of mysterious murderous gasses and miraculously appearing drones is somehow compatible with your self-proclaimed claims to being a 'truthseeker.'

I can tell you though that regurgitating such ludicrous, idiotic bullshit just makes you and your cohorts look like laughing stocks in the real world.
 
pk said:
LOL, funny how Jazzz has disappeared all of a sudden!

:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_The_Year_2525
If I post less these days it's because I feel I have better things to do than this malarkey. Especially discussing things with you pk. You should be ashamed of yourself, really. You believe 9/11 was an inside job. However you ally yourself in these discussions with those who accept the official story - you are far more concerned with being with the gang and your popularity than standing up for your truth. Whatever macho posturing you come out with, this is the ultimate cowardice in my book. Coward. :rolleyes:
 
zoltan69 said:
He doesnt talk some right old toss,but is smart enought to be able to make a living on his infamy - by all accounts he knows nowt that would shake this country to its very roots etc .

As Annie (his girlfried) noted on another forum when this accusation was leveled at them - they've been broke since they blew the whistle.
 
Jazzz said:
As Annie (his girlfried) noted on another forum when this accusation was leveled at them - they've been broke since they blew the whistle.

and you believe a word she or he says? How naive!
 
Jazzz said:
If I post less these days it's because I feel I have better things to do than this malarkey. Especially discussing things with you pk. You should be ashamed of yourself, really. You believe 9/11 was an inside job. However you ally yourself in these discussions with those who accept the official story - you are far more concerned with being with the gang and your popularity than standing up for your truth. Whatever macho posturing you come out with, this is the ultimate cowardice in my book. Coward. :rolleyes:


Perhaps this will help you in your quest for truth.
 
imo all the no-planers are possible shills and need to be viewed with great suspision - including the pentagon flight 77 no-planers.

I reckon they specifically made sure to get tons of CCTV footage clearly showing a passenger jet hitting the pentagon, and when it suits them they'll declassify the lot.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html - they think the loose change guys are cointelpro. personally, i think thats just too horrible to be true ;) :D
 
i didnt say jones was racist because he said immigration is being used to destabalise society, no matter how daft that is

i said he was racist for saying that foreign criminals are being encouraged to flood our societies to destablilise society

i cant remember his exact words and i certainly aint listening again, but i think what he said was actually stronger than what ive quoted above
 
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