David Icke on the Russell Brand show

[frogwoman]

I don't follow you. What is it that the second lot have said about Jews which is similar to what Icke has said about the Royal family? That they are lizards? Or that they kill their children?

Regardless, I don't see what point you are trying to make here.

The idea that they're involved in blood sacrifices of children to some kind of demon, and that they aren't entirely human themselves but are a sort of (usually unpleasant) animal, was very common up until very recently and still is among some people. A guy i met once said that he'd gone to portugal once and had been asked by someone he met there where his horns were

It really is very very similar to the kind of accusations that Icke et al make up about the royal family. There is loads to criticise the royal family about, you don't have to rely on anti-semitic myths with no basis in fact to do so as it just makes the person saying it look stupid and to anyone with a knowledge of jewish history, rather disturbing. The fact that Icke et al like to point out stuff like the stuff about the circumcisions suggests to me that someone might have an agenda ...

I dont know why you find it so difficult to accept that the people saying this stuff aren't necessarily the crusaders for the truth that they portray themselves as

It seems to me that the accusation that a certain group are shape-shifting lizards of alien origin is really quite an extraordinary one.

Sorry mate ...

 

[Jazzz]

Claims that Jews controlled the US banking system were first created by the Nazis to encite hatred of the USA when they entered the war aganist Germany.

Gosh Jazzz how would your family feel if they found out you were spreading Nazi propaganda.

I don't 'spread nazi propaganda', you poisonous man. For your information, my family are well aware of my views, agree with me on much of them, and if they don't agree with all have no question that there is nothing anti-semitic about any of it.

My great-grandfather escaped the nazis thanks to being the 'conspiracy theorist' of his day. He had the sense to realise that something dreadful was afoot before it was too late. Plenty didn't.

 

[mikeinworthing]

Anyone for popcorn?

 

[frogwoman]

It is true that these people were laughed at for their views and descriptions of what was happening

But there wasnt then, and isn't now, the global conspiracy that you are saying there is. There wasn't an elite conspiracy financing Hitler. A very small number of Jewish business people (and a larger number of ethnically German business people) gave him some money, and some people voted for him, after he was backed by Germany's political and business elite and managed to insinuate himself into a position of political power in an attempt to halt the spread of communism. He couldn't have done it without a very large proportion of the German public voting for him out of desparation or, in some cases, prejudice.

There was a cover up with the gas chambers ... the british government didn't want to panic tthe public in Britain or do anything to lower the morale of the country and they also didn't want to face accusations that they weren't doing enough, by the Jewish community among others
One reason is because what happened in the shoah was such an extraordinary story that many people in the british government didn't want to believe it. It was industrialised genocide on a scale that has not been seen before or since. If you were to hear from someone that a country had set up factories whose primary purpose was to murder a certain ethnic group with the added "bonus" of killing a few other undesireables and political dissidents as well and that these were extremely well run and well organised you would probably have some difficulty believing it would happen, with that many people cooperating and going along with it, especially in a "civilised" country like germany wouldnt you? I would have a lot of difficulty believing it had happened tbh unless someone actually told me about it who had actually been there
Also IMO they were in many cases driven by prejudice - scumbag Anthony Eden being a prime example. Many of Britain and America's aristocratic and business elite were anti-semitic and didn't give a shit about what happened to the Jewish people - their view was the less kikes there are in the world the better ... but this isn't the only reason by any means.
Dont also forget that at the same time they were fighting ww2, they were also worried about Russian influence - especially in America, and Hitler's regime was in many respects more the natural ally of the West than the Soviets were. Some people, not necessarily anti-semites, wanted the war to end as soon as possible, not necessarily with Germany "losing" but with some kind of negotiated settlement which didn't favour the Russians.
I have also heard that if the British had bombed concentration camps then the fash would have worked out that the people who worked at Bletcheley Park would have worked out the Enigma codes they had developed to keep their plans secret from the Allies and possibly deduce other things as well about Allied military tactics.
they were also worried that having the kind of knowledge among the public of what Hitler was doing would INCREASE support that already existed among some people ... because most western societies at that time had a high degree of support for anti-semitic views in the general population (although probably not for genocide)
There were anti-semitic riots across Britain as recently as 1948
If a large number of people in the country don't like Jews and this kind of stuff comes out then you don't want to have riots in your own country while bombs are falling and people asking why we are fighting a war to save "those people" when there's no point and it might not even be happening anyway ... and on the other hand in war, you want to get people to hate the enemy and be motivated to fight against them, but you don't want to make them so frightened of people capable of doing what the fash did they don't want to fight do you?
there were however, some people who attempted to try and save jewish people as well as the other victims of nazism within the british and american government and did everything they could, but unfortunately due to a combination of those reasons and incompetence and bureaucracy (Jewish immigrants to the UK had to be classified as "enemy aliens") only a minority were actually able to come to a safe place
This isn't evidence of a conspiracy, just a combination of ignorance, hatred, stupidity and fear for the political and military consequences of making such information public ... and there were reasons for not listening or revealing the truth about the shoah for what were thought to be very good reasons (although many of them were just used as excuses not to do anything)... I'm not trying to say what they did was right but not everything is a result of a conspiracy ...

People within the Jewish community also didn't want to admit that some bad shit was going on in germany - for fear they might be "next", because they were scared of associating themselves with the persecuted, mostly religious and "foreign" Jews when they had done so much themselves to integrate into society and be accepted in the country (the same reason why a lot of them opposed immigration of Jews from Russia so much in the 19th century), because they didn't consider themselves Jewish and considered those people "beneath them", or because they were scared of a backlash if they made a big deal out of what was happening (look what happens today in every time a Muslim complains about islamophobia anywhere) and didn't want to make out that they were suffering more than other people in Britain who had lost husbands, children, families etc in the horror of war ... there were loads of reasons, some perfectly understandable and some pretty fucking selfish and disgraceful tbh ... and the holocaust was such a big deal that nobody wanted to believe it at all or let anyone know about it because it was so awful !!

I dont think for a moment you're an anti-semite mate ... I dont even think Icke is but I think he has got mixed up witrh some dodgy fuckers who actually are and unfortunately the kind of stuff he writes can fuel those kind of views. It is a fact that he has attended conferences involving neo-nazis and that he associates himself with such people. I dont know whether he actually realises what he is doing - I would guess probably not to be honest. But it's a good reason not to listen to him even if he doesn't.

I'm sure a lot of people wanted war in iraq but they wanted it because of strategic reasons and to make money out of iraq's oil, and some genuinely did justify it to themselves because it would create "democracy", ive got no doubt that some people who thought it would be good for us to go in there really did think that (although they wouldn't have done it if they hadn't got something out of it either!) not because of the reasons that icke implies ... they are probably kicking themselves now because it has gone so badly wrong, apart from those people who are in the arms business.

 

[8den]

I don't 'spread nazi propaganda', you poisonous man. For your information, my family are well aware of my views, agree with me on much of them, and if they don't agree with all have no question that there is nothing anti-semitic about any of it.

My great-grandfather escaped the nazis thanks to being the 'conspiracy theorist' of his day. He had the sense to realise that something dreadful was afoot before it was too late. Plenty didn't.

And Jazzz ignores the thrust of my point again.

Hey Jazzz you dim witted fucktard (and before you start you called me a "poisonous man")

Have you explained to your family about Willie's hanging around with former members of the Waffen SS, or Icke's jewish bankers claims, or how that Nazi's developed the theory about Jews controlling the US banking
, or that the first theories about the 9/11 were anti jewish, or your respect for the AFP a neo nazi website?

Jazzz you are a pathetic excuse for a joke. If your family knew the truth about your claims they'd hold you in the same level of contempt that you held on this forum. Hey Jazzz why don't you show your family the alternative view of your theories, and why don'[t you invite them to read your "media happenings" thread that'd be good for a giggle.

 

[purves grundy]

Hey Jazzz you dim witted fucktard

Jazzz you are a pathetic excuse for a joke.

fucking hell, no need

 

[Bob_the_lost]

fucking hell, no need

He has been known to ignore you and everything you type if you don't throw a few obscenities in.

 

[frogwoman]

agreed, i dont think jazzz is an anti-semite and i don't think it is necessary to use this type of stuff, on either side, to score political points.

i know an anti-semite when i see one. he's not it.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

He's a deluded idiot who allows his passions and desires to overpower logic and reason. That's merely a tradgedy, a mind is a terrible thing to waste, but what's worse is that he regurgitates the same rubbish to others and keeps doing so despite attempts to educate him.

 

[YouSir]

I don't see any reason to make the attacks on Jazzz personal ones. Perhaps that's just me.

 

[8den]

agreed, i dont think jazzz is an anti-semite and i don't think it is necessary to use this type of stuff, on either side, to score political points.

i know an anti-semite when i see one. he's not it.

No sorry Jazzz has on several occasions supported people and their beliefs and when challenged that these people are anti semites or racists or neo nazis Jazzz has dressed himself in his families history or racial background.

As in "I'm a jew and my families were chased from germany ergo any shitfuck conspiracy theorist I like cannot be a vile racist anti semite" despite the fact that actual horses mouth quotes prove that Icke, William R, or the AFP are a bunch of either apologists, or active promoters or just happen to think that turning up at a conference with unrepentent Waffen SS officers is ok.

See it's Jazzz's raping of the fear, terror, and hatred his ancestor's endured, and using this defend the reprenhisible beliefs he and his idols belief is the most odious aspect of his abuse of his family history.

Again Jazzz have you mentioned the specific quotes from Icke to your family? How about your use of the neo nazi website AFP? Or Willie's attendence as a guest at a conference along side a a forum Waffen SS officer.

How would your family appreicate those facts

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

This thread would be funny if it wasn't so fucking predictable....

 

[frogwoman]

The AFP ARE an anti-semitic organisation, yeah. IIRC it was they that published the magazine "Spotlight". Jeff Rense is also a known anti-semite. I not sure about David Icke - I'm still inclined to think he's simply mad and being used by pernicious people around him, of which there are certainly many. I could be wrong though.

 

[8den]

I don't see any reason to make the attacks on Jazzz personal ones. Perhaps that's just me.

Jazzz called me a "poisonous man" that started it, check back. I did not start this, I've made several specific challenges to Jazzz, he's resorted to ad homiens out of the gate.

Glass houses, bricks etc...

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I not sure about David Icke - I'm still inclined to think he's simply mad and being used by pernicious people around him, of which there are certainly many. I could be wrong though.

He's an idiot with possible mental problems being exploited by CT fuckwits that are so lazy they can't even be arsed to come up with their own brand of bullshit.

Tragic on all counts.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

This thread would be funny if it wasn't so fucking predictable....

I never would have thought it would have someone defending Uri Geller, to be fair.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I never would have thought it would have someone defending Uri Geller, to be fair.

I dunno, I find brain dead twats tend to flock together.

 

[Xanadu]

Is the PNAC real, or it is just some bollocks invented by a follower of Icke?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Is the PNAC real, or it is just some bollocks invented by a follower of Icke?

No it is real.

ETA:Here's their website in fact:http://www.newamericancentury.org/

 

[8den]

No it is real.

ETA:Here's their website in fact:http://www.newamericancentury.org/

It is and it isn't if you actually read the language they're discussing IT technology and referencing pearl habour as a cataylist for change in military planning, they're not suggesting anything merely referencing the last seimic shift in US military planning.

Incidently watch a textbook pwnage of gellar by james randi and johnny carson here

 

[frogwoman]

He's an idiot with possible mental problems being exploited by CT fuckwits that are so lazy they can't even be arsed to come up with their own brand of bullshit.

Tragic on all counts.

definitely

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

It is and it isn't if you actually read the language they're discussing IT technology and referencing pearl habour as a cataylist for change in military planning, they're not suggesting anything merely referencing the last seimic shift in US military planning.

Incidently watch a textbook pwnage of gellar by james randi and johnny carson here

Sure - it doesn't really tell you much that would surprise you about the neo-Cons.

I was just replying to Xanadu, they do exist and haven't just been made up.

 

[chico enrico]

funnily enough, i was in seven Sisters on saturday and noticed that there seem to be lots of Ike videos in amongst all the dodgy nation of islam type stuff in the bootleg DVD shops and stalls.

i suspect they see his reference to 'reptiles controlling the new world order' in the 'euphemistic' sense it is usually employed.

 

[HarryinOz]

Originally Posted by Meltingpot
Then why do oil and other mineral extraction companies pay him thousands to assist in prospecting? Could be they know something you don't.

Link?

That is, a link which isn't written by Geller himself.

Something which names a company, a location and the success rate of the great big fraud.

Here ya go !!! , I think this scan of a newspaper headline should satisfy your demand for proof beyond a shadow of a doubt !!!

Oh, hang on....I did that pic myself will it pass?

 

[frogwoman]

funnily enough, i was in seven Sisters on saturday and noticed that there seem to be lots of Ike videos in amongst all the dodgy nation of islam type stuff in the bootleg DVD shops and stalls.

i suspect they see his reference to 'reptiles controlling the new world order' in the 'euphemistic' sense it is usually employed.

Yeah, the fact is, even though I suspect that Icke really does believe this stuff about lizards, there are PLENTY of people who take it to mean something else and are using his theories for their own purposes.

Jeff Rense and Alex Jones for example, and the fucking AFP ...

Pat Robertson, a man who is very wealthy and very close to Bush, wrote a book in the 1990s which is almost identical to a lot of the conspiracy theories which can be found on the internet today, alleging that there was a world conspiracy of Jewish bankers and that these people were in league with the government. Back then it was the Democrats, now people are saying its the republicans. I'm not saying that there's a "conspiracy of anti-semites" because that's too simplistic but a very large number of people in America's political elite are extremely prejudiced, and it is known for being the "socialism of fools" - like, it distracts people from whats really going on and it provides an easy solution to difficult questions

same goes for any kind of conspiracy. Its so easy to blame things on imaginary conspirators when actually the truth is so much more about human nature and therefore more complicated, and carries the implication that we are all in some way responsible for the state the world is in today ... not a bunch of medieval knights looking around for sacred stones or that sort of shite, or some old Jews thinking up new and exciting ways to oppress the goyim
at the end of the day we can't do anything about it if we can't meet these people, cant see them, they have superhuman powers, etc ... and it prevents us looking at our own actions
nobody in the "ruling elite" was born "bad" - they just (mostly) grew up rich and priveleged, or else they were extremely driven and motivated and worked their way up from nothing (and expect that everyone else can, as well) and they often had ideals in the beginning but ambition, prejudice, money and greed got in the way of them, just like it does for many people, it's just that the kind of mistakes and selfish decisisions they make are more significant than everyone else's because they are so important. i do believe that a lot of politicians, businessmen etc have good intentions but it's the decisions they make to compromise their own integrity that are "necessary" to maintain the lifestyle they do. And obviously some of them are going to be nasty, ruthless cunts anyway (probably disproportionately because these type of people are often attracted to power and positions of authority), just like these type of people exist in all areas of life.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Here's a question for you Jazz, where did all this reptilian bollocks come from? how did it start? it's intriguing and amazing the amount of people who believe it, especially with the amount of video "evidence" on youtube, seriously go on you tube and search reptilian, it's a laugh a minute.

Jazz doesn't believe this reptilian stuff, does he?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It (the Wogan thing) was one of the reasons I ditched my telly.

I think that's a bit like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The difference is this man you describe hasn't endured the sort of ridicule David Icke has, the reason I think it's admirable is because you don't often get people who really stand up for what they believe in anymore. Don't get me wrong, I think alot of what Icke says is bollocks but it's not like he's pulling these things out of his arse is it? he does do a hell of alot of research and he doesn't say "blindly believe what I say" he invites you to look it all up for yourself and research the claims he makes.

Son of Sam killed people because God, speaking through the neighbor's dog, commanded him to.

Is is balls that makes Icke talk, or is he maybe listening to the neighbor's dog?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Here's the reunion:

I watched that: I can't believe that David Icke was the one to introduce this whole PNAC thing. And to think of the amount of airplay it got on these boards.

 

[Cloud]

Incidently watch a textbook pwnage of gellar by james randi and johnny carson here

Hehe thanks for the morning laugh I hate that twat.