David Icke on the Russell Brand show

[William of Walworth]

Excellent counter-conspiracist points frogwoman, and you really know your history <impressed>

 

[fattboy]

You mean like his last film which targeted the multi billion healthcare industry in the US, one of the biggest, most lucrative businesses on the entire planet?

Yep. You sure know your facts!

their hardly the cali cartel now are they

 

[butchersapron]

Ok, whose runing him and why?

 

[fattboy]

What "black magic," specifically?

dunno, secret societies can be a bit tight lipped on these things

 

[fattboy]

Ok, whose runing him and why?

how he made fahrenheit 911 without saying the word zionist was pretty remarkable 2 me, especially when he was practically knocking on the door of the saudi embassy
if moore aint on the payroll he wants 2 get on 2 his agent

 

[nino_savatte]

Jeff Rense and Alex Jones for example, and the fucking AFP ...

What? Agence France Presse?

 

[8den]

funnily enough, i was in seven Sisters on saturday and noticed that there seem to be lots of Ike videos in amongst all the dodgy nation of islam type stuff in the bootleg DVD shops and stalls.

Ta thanks for giving me another reason why I'm moving out of there.

 

[butchersapron]

how he made fahrenheit 911 without saying the word zionist was pretty remarkable 2 me, especially when he was practically knocking on the door of the saudi embassy
if moore aint on the payroll he wants 2 get on 2 his agent

Tell me why? What should he have said about 'zionists'?

 

[Brainaddict]

It is and it isn't if you actually read the language they're discussing IT technology and referencing pearl habour as a cataylist for change in military planning, they're not suggesting anything merely referencing the last seimic shift in US military planning.

I'm no conspiraloon but that mob are a bit more sinister than the above would suggest. But sinister in the sense of their open imperialist ambition rather than any secrecy. Look at this open letter from the Clinton era:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

And have a look at the list of signatures at the bottom.

And this is from their statement of principles:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles. [/FONT]

It's imperialist policy - barely even bothering with window dressing.

 

[fattboy]

Tell me why? What should he have said about 'zionists'?

considering all the attention he lavished on the saudis and their connections 2 bush it was kinda rude not 2 mention the far more powerful Jewish lobby that has so much influence in us politics.

 

[May Kasahara]

What about the spoon bending though? I don't know about anything else he's done tbh.

Here's something else: he's achieved immortality as the bequeather of a quality entry in the Viz Profanisaurus.

Uri Geller Smeller n. After one has has dropped a major-league nine inch nail in the pan, the foulsome miasma that emanates from the smallest room and spreads round the house, bending spoons and stopping clocks as it goes.

One of my favourites, that

 

[butchersapron]

considering all the attention he lavished on the saudis and their connections 2 bush it was kinda rude not 2 mention the far more powerful Jewish lobby that has so much influence in us politics.

But the bombers came largwely from Saudi and SA has for decades funded the milieu out of which they developed. Bin laden was a SA citizen. SA is part of the story of 911 that Moore was trying to tell. 'zionists' were not part of the 911 attacks, so why should Moore try and deal with 'the poweful jewish lobby' in a film not substantially about them?

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

The Brand show isn't as bad as all that (although I still hate him) ... haven't got to Ike yet. I saw Ike live at Battersea arts club and the Brixton Academy. It was quite an experience.

 

[nino_savatte]

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[editor]

I saw Ike live at Battersea arts club and the Brixton Academy. It was quite an experience.

You paid twice to see him?!

Whatever for?

 

[editor]

dunno, secret societies can be a bit tight lipped on these things

So you've just made it up then?

 

[fattboy]

But the bombers came largwely from Saudi and SA has for decades funded the milieu out of which they developed. Bin laden was a SA citizen. SA is part of the story of 911 that Moore was trying to tell. 'zionists' were not part of the 911 attacks, so why should Moore try and deal with 'the poweful jewish lobby' in a film not substantially about them?

but 2 put so much emphasis on the saudi connection without even mentioning how so much foreign policy is dictated by the Jewish lobby was pretty telling.

 

[fattboy]

So you've just made it up then?

no, its fairly well known that something was discovered, i just dont know what it is, not being a 33rd degree grand master and all.

 

[Dan U]

good thread

 

[butchersapron]

but 2 put so much emphasis on the saudi connection without even mentioning how so much foreign policy is dictated by the Jewish lobby was pretty telling.

It's dictated by the long term strategic interests of the US ruling class as decided upon by business, military and political elites. Not by 'the poweful jewish lobby'. And again, why should he make a film about something that he's not making a film about?

'Telling'? In what sense?

 

[butchersapron]

no, its fairly well known that something was discovered, i just dont know what it is, not being a 33rd degree grand master and all.

No it's not, it is a fairly common claim amongst loons, historical and contemporary though.

 

[editor]

no, its fairly well known that something was discovered, i just dont know what it is, not being a 33rd degree grand master and all.

"Well known" by whom, exactly? What are you basing your "black magic" claims on?

Could you provide some credible sources, please?

 

[frogwoman]

What? Agence France Presse?

yeah, i'm afraid we're all going to die of a baguette and cheese overdose, those evil french people are controlling the world and plotting to kill everyone in it

 

[frogwoman]

considering all the attention he lavished on the saudis and their connections 2 bush it was kinda rude not 2 mention the far more powerful Jewish lobby that has so much influence in us politics.

How was it "rude"? Do you mention the Saudis every time you say something bad about Israel? Does anyone?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Son of Sam killed people because God, speaking through the neighbor's dog, commanded him to.

Is is balls that makes Icke talk, or is he maybe listening to the neighbor's dog?

In retrospect he probably is just listening to his neighbour's dog rather than having a pair of gahoonies, I think I was just distracted by the fact you don't really see many people standing up for many things anymore, no matter how misguided the thing they're standing up for is.

IMO conspiracy theories are just the same as religion, it's just people's way of dealing with the horrors of the world because they can't, won't, accept that 99.999999% of the shit in the world is caused by human greed, corruption and incompetence and, like religion, any evidence that proves their crackpot theories wrong will never be enough, they will continue to raise the bar and they will always lay the burden of proof at the door of those who don't agree with them.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

"Well known" by whom, exactly? What are you basing your "black magic" claims on?

Could you provide some credible sources, please?

It was in assassin's creed if that helps. Proof!

 

[fattboy]

"Well known" by whom, exactly? What are you basing your "black magic" claims on?

Could you provide some credible sources, please?

right ive googled it and its basically saying it was geometric knowledge or ancient Judaic knowledge or a host of other things, like i said no-one really knows, so its not very likely gonna be on google anyway.
i said it might have been some kinda black magic cos they went in there as christians and came out as apostates and magicians so its not an outlandish assumption.
i dont know what ud call credible 2 be honest so ur best of going google and searching it urself.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Why not just show us the links you found?

 

[butchersapron]

i said it might have been some kinda black magic cos they went in there as christians and came out as apostates and magicians so its not an

No they didn't - they went in Pilgrims an came out Pilgrims. The Pope declared the order heretical to get his hands on their gold 200 years later.

 

[fattboy]

It's dictated by the long term strategic interests of the US ruling class as decided upon by business, military and political elites. Not by 'the poweful jewish lobby'. And again, why should he make a film about something that he's not making a film about?

'Telling'? In what sense?

i dont think sending their young men and women off 2 countries that pose no threat 2 them 2 be blown apart is really in their interests, so it appears 2 me that the interests of us citizens and the us govt. arent one and the same.

telling in that hes probably got one fat bank account.