'Conspiraloons' in the ascendancy?

[William of Walworth]

 

[William of Walworth]

Wiki of Occam ...

Easily applicable to slicing up and dissecting all known conpiracy theories

 

[Trufflepig]

Conspiracy theories are village gossip on a global scale, the best story wins. There was a horrifying murder of four in my folks village, it was amazing how formerly quiet pubs, butchers and barber shops were filled with people wanting to hear to the latest. Within days every place had its expert and nobody I know followed the official line.

The biggest conspiracy theorists I know, smoke a lot of ganj,have done for a long time and spend too much time online. The stories that demographic lap up and re-transmit fit their own experiences of social isolation, paranoia, ennui, and boredom, tighter than OJs glove.

 

[Beanburger]

Conspiracy theories are village gossip on a global scale, the best story wins. There was a horrifying murder of four in my folks village, it was amazing how formerly quiet pubs, barbers, butchers and barber shops were filled with people wanting to hear to the latest. Within days every place had its expert and nobody I know followed the official line.

The biggest conspiracy theorists I know, smoke a lot of ganj,have done for a long time and spend too much time online. The stories that demographic lap up and re-transmit fit their own experiences of social isolation, paranoia, ennui, boredom, tighter than OJs glove.

Precisely this.

 

[Trufflepig]

Conspiracy theorists will often list names, university societies, relationships between families of ruling elites but cannot tell you the names of their own MP, local councilor, members of the cabinet etc. They claim to understand all about how global credit, the WTO and world bank work, but go into the red every month. Going on about how bad fluoridated toothpaste is while sucking hard on a spliff.

Meanwhile the bloody aliens are buggering about in our wheat fields unchallenged.

 

[claphamboy]

Meanwhile the bloody aliens are buggering about in our wheat fields unchallenged.

It would be a different matter if they were buggering about in hemp fields, i tell you.

 

[Beanburger]

Going on about how bad fluoridated toothpaste is while sucking hard on a spliff.

Bit like wi-fi (sorry, wi-fri). I've heard many a hippy conspiraloon waffle on about how awful wi-fi is... usually with a mobile phone held to their head. Funny that. I remember them waffling on about how awful mobile phones were - when they were still expensive and hippy conspiraloons couldn't afford them.

Meanwhile the bloody aliens are buggering about in our wheat fields unchallenged.

 

[Beanburger]

It would be a different matter if they were buggering about in hemp fields, i tell you.

 

[Trufflepig]

Isn't that the the troof!

If I have to hear another simpleton going on about that bloody Zeitgeist film, I'll just have to warn them of the dangers of erotic auto asphyxiation or bleeding to death in the woods ...

 

[William of Walworth]

Infuriatingly, I can't find George Monbiot's thoroughly excellent demolition of 'Zeitgeist' anywhere on his website , so this fine old pisstake of 9/11 'troofers' will have to do ...

 

[William of Walworth]

Ahh, OK, here we go : George eviscerates 'Zeitgeist' loonspuds .....

 

[claphamboy]

Ahh, OK, here we go : George eviscerates 'Zeitgeist' loonspuds .....

There is a virus sweeping the world. It infects opponents of the Bush government, sucks their brains out through their eyes and turns them into gibbering idiots. First cultivated in a laboratory in the United States, the strain reached these shores a few months ago. In the past fortnight it has become an epidemic. Scarcely a day now passes without someone possessed by this sickness, eyes rolling, lips flecked with foam, trying to infect me.

They need a vaccine for that.

 

[Beanburger]

They need a vaccine for that.

Don't pharmaceutical multinationals make lots of money from vaccines?

 

[claphamboy]

Don't pharmaceutical multinationals make lots of money from vaccines?

Ok, forget that, make it Vitamin D supplements instead.

 

[JWH]

No, folic acid in the bread, iodine in the salt and flouride in the water!

i've never SEEN a conspiracy website!! I just make my mind up in each case about the likelihood of something sinister and in David Kelly, Deepcut, Diana, John Lennon etc, thats a high likelihood. You gotta basically think "Does it make sense if.." and ask yourself if the person who got bumped off had greatly upset those in power...etc

OK, I'm going to bite. What do you think the real story with John Lennon and Diana was, then?

 

[Beanburger]

No, folic acid in the bread, iodine in the salt and flouride in the water!

OK, I'm going to bite. What do you think the real story with John Lennon and Diana was, then?

He boned her?

 

[xes]

If only OR was used properly (we'd have enough substantial circumstantial evidence for ET disclosure)

 

[Barking_Mad]

Conspiraloons aren't in the asendency, but people talking about them are.

 

[treelover]

Yawn, thanks for that er contribution

 

[Barking_Mad]

Yawn, thanks for that er contribution

Jesus wept.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Jesus wept.

Yeah, but Jesus was a hippy, so you have to expect "getting in touch with his inner crybaby" new-age shit like that.

 

[kyser_soze]

i don't believe in lizards taking over the earth but you gotta be pretty naive if you can't see anything sinister in the Iraq war, David Kelly's death, Diana's death, Deepcut deaths etc. You may get the odd loon speaking there but on the whole i think most things discussed do have a sinister edge

The thing is trev, you won't listen when someone confronts you with a simple piece of actual evidence - e.g. Diana wasn't wearing a seatbelt and that this was the main contributory factor to her injuries and subsequent death. Which is why many of us relegate you from 'healthy cynic' to 'swallows anything'.

Re: increase in loonery...difficult to tell, since it's only recently that the loonies have been able to communicate with each other on such a wide scale. Nothing new with it really tho - it's just struck me that it's very similar to the tales of demons etc that would quickly pass from village to village back in the days before the printing press, but had very little actual bearing on reality.

Do I think govts and corps can do bad things? Yes.
Does this mean I think every bad thing in the worfld is a result of a cabal rich caucasians ganging up? No

 

[8den]

If only OR was used properly (we'd have enough substantial circumstantial evidence for ET disclosure)

xes your occams razor is a pair of safety scissors you carry while wearing heavy mittens, with the string through the coat's shoulders so you don't lose them.

 

[xes]

xes your occams razor is a pair of safety scissors you carry while wearing heavy mittens, with the string through the coat's shoulders so you don't lose them.

Yes, this is true, wanna fight about it?

 

[8den]

Yes, this is true, wanna fight about it?

Post lunch drink partaken there Xes?

You're constantly talking about your gut, or your feelings, when it comes to your beliefs, your claim that people would believe in aliens if Occams razor is "properly used", is just laughable.

Not as laughable as your use of the phrase "substantial circumstantial evidence", suggesting that you don't know what the words "substantial" and "circumstantial" mean, if you did you'd realise that phrase is what we call a "oxymoron". Though I suspect my usage of the word "oxymoron" brings the number of words in this paragraph that you don't understand up by one.

 

[xes]

Yeah, but I had 1 shot less (trying to save money)

 

[8den]

Yeah, but I had 1 shot less (trying to save money)

A semi pissed angry UFO nerd. Help. For the love of god help.

 

[xes]

Post lunch drink partaken there Xes?

You're constantly talking about your gut, or your feelings, when it comes to your beliefs, your claim that people would believe in aliens if Occams razor is "properly used", is just laughable.

Not what i claimed at all, but you can go ahead and put words in my mouth if you like.

But if thousands of people, every year, report things in the sky. Including qualified pilots, top military personal. With objects showing on radar, time and time again. Then a logical conclusion would be, that there is something going on that we don't fully understand. Occams razor says that the simplest solution is the right one. Now, the simplest solution, for thousands of reports, many of which are from qualified observers, WITH radar evidence. Would be that they are telling the truth. Not that they are all bonkers. It's quite simple, really.

 

[Beanburger]

Then a logical conclusion would be, that there is something going on that we don't fully understand. Occams razor says that the simplest solution is the right one. Now, the simplest solution, for thousands of reports, many of which are from qualified observers, WITH radar evidence. Would be that they are telling the truth. Not that they are all bonkers. It's quite simple, really.

Quite. But "something we don't fully understand" isn't the same thing as alien spacecraft.

Put it this way. Every year, thousands of christians report direct, first-hand experience of speaking to the Lord. That suggests to me that there's something going on that we don't fully understand... not that the second coming is imminent.

 

[xes]

Quite. But "something we don't fully understand" isn't the same thing as alien spacecraft.

Put it this way. Every year, thousands of christians report direct, first-hand experience of speaking to the Lord. That suggests to me that there's something going on that we don't fully understand... not that the second coming is imminent.

Yes, but voices in your head, and stuff showing up on radar, a mile long, wittnessed by 2 pilots and a plane load of passengers..... Are 2 different things, completly.