Chavez tells Blair to "Go right to hell"

[spring-peeper]

In Jamaica, the staff at the all-inclusives basically tell the guests they will be murdered the second they step outside the resort. It works, too.

Here, it's warning about playing golf in Jamaica that has people concerned.

/thread derailment - this should be in the travel section.

 

[slaar]

In Jamaica, the staff at the all-inclusives basically tell the guests they will be murdered the second they step outside the resort. It works, too.

'Tis strange, I can quite believe this, but what's their incentive for doing so given that the guests have already paid for everything?

 

[phildwyer]

'Tis strange, I can quite believe this, but what's their incentive for doing so given that the guests have already paid for everything?

The guests will then buy those little holiday extras that are not sold at travel agencies exclusively from the resort's staff.

 

[Streathamite]

To accomplish anything, you have to start somewhere and actually do something.

you mean like sponsor terrorism, neo-fascist insurgents and torture-happy thugs? and don't even TRY to claim the US hasn't done this, frequently.

 

[ViolentPanda]

1. You're the Sassenach (if what you say about yourself is true. please also note the correct spelling).

Does it apply to non-Saxons, then (after all, "phildwyer" has claimed to be Welsh)?

2. You're still talking shit and you have some silly obsession with me.

He gets obsessed with anyone who dares to gainsay his holiness.

3. I don't care a monkey's chuff what you think. You are quite clearly wrong, the issue is not whether travel to Cuba is illegal, it is whether Americans travel there or not and they quite clearly do travel to Cuba...regardless of the consequences.

He doesn't give a gibbon's ringpiece about the issue either (except insofar as the issue allows him to parade as a well-travelled humanitarian), he's just using it to attempt to goad you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

'Tis strange, I can quite believe this, but what's their incentive for doing so given that the guests have already paid for everything?

Non-"on the menu" goods and services, supposedly.

 

[phildwyer]

Does it apply to non-Saxons, then (after all, "phildwyer" has claimed to be Welsh)?

Of course it doesn't. In fact "Sassenach" is from the same root as the Welsh "Saesneg," meaning 'Saxon." Auld Nino is confused again.

 

[nino_savatte]

Does it apply to non-Saxons, then (after all, "phildwyer" has claimed to be Welsh)?

He gets obsessed with anyone who dares to gainsay his holiness.

He doesn't give a gibbon's ringpiece about the issue either (except insofar as the issue allows him to parade as a well-travelled humanitarian), he's just using it to attempt to goad you.

True on all counts, VP. Yes, phil has *claimed* to be Welsh. Strictly speaking Sassenachs are Anglo-Saxons, though many Anglo-Saxons settled in the Scottish lowlands, it continues to be used to describe the English.

 

[nino_savatte]

Of course it doesn't. In fact "Sassenach" is from the same root as the Welsh "Saesneg," meaning 'Saxon." Auld Nino is confused again.

Are you googling this stuff?

Were you an only child, phil? Just wondered, like.

 

[phildwyer]

You are quite clearly wrong, the issue is not whether travel to Cuba is illegal, it is whether Americans travel there or not and they quite clearly do travel to Cuba...regardless of the consequences.

Och, ye've had a couple of wee drams already have ye not Nino? The issue *is* whether it is illegal. As everyone can clearly see by reading back, I commented of Rogue Yam:

He's not allowed to, he's a US citizen.

To which you foolishly and irrelevently replied:

Really? Many US citizens travel to Cuba but they have to got there via a convoluted route.

Still following the auld agenda, Nino?

 

[nino_savatte]

Are you googling this stuff?

Were you an only child, phil? Just wondered, like.

So no comment, phil? That isn't like you.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nah, more like baby of the family...that's you.

 

[chilango]

Of course it doesn't. In fact "Sassenach" is from the same root as the Welsh "Saesneg," meaning 'Saxon." Auld Nino is confused again.

The Welsh equivalent is Saeson.

 

[rogue yam]

RY I think that you will find that AI don't 'do ' propaganda. All their stuff is as accurate as it possibly can be. It has to be or it wouldn't be taken seriously.

AI has an agenda which is socialistic world government. They "do" whatever they think will best serve this goal. The concept of "accuracy" is promoted to mask their role as an advocate of a particular political system. AI is "taken seriously" in direct proportion to whether one supports their goal.

 

[spring-peeper]

AI has an agenda which is socialistic world government. They "do" whatever they think will best serve this goal.

You say that like it is a bad thing

Don't you believe that all people were created equal and deserve the same basic rights?

 

[rogue yam]

You say that like it is a bad thing

Don't you believe that all people were created equal and deserve the same basic rights?

I don't believe in socialism, and I don't believe in world government. It is an arrogant lie for socialist internationalists to claim that only they believe in equal rights. Typical, but untrue and arrogant.

 

[rogue yam]

And I'll skip the AI propaganda, thanks.
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of course you will. why would you bother listening to a bunch of people who's sole concern is the protection of human rights all over the world? why bother listening to them, when they will tell you things that you don't like, because they disprove your ridiculous neo-con govt-propaganda inspired assertions?

Well, which is it? "Protection of human rights" or "disproving" neo-conservatism? Why, both, of course. So long as you equate socialism with human rights, that is.

 

[spring-peeper]

I don't believe in socialism, and I don't believe in world government. It is an arrogant lie for socialist internationalists to claim that only they believe in equal rights. Typical, but untrue and arrogant.

Oh well, I believe in socialism and I believe in world government. Both are still in their infancy, imo, but I think that we are making progress.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Y'know, I'm sure there's a requirement to post comment alongside any links, rather than just posting up links alone.

You gonna tell on me?

 

[Engineer]

I have never visited Cuba but mu contract is finished next year and I am bidding for a new one in South America-if I get it and assuming I can learn enough Spanish then I will certainly visit cuba and see if it is as great or wicked as people say.

Ifor one find it a little difficult to believe and statistics on health and education produced by a one party state but then I fin it difficlt to accept the premises of documents produced by Neo conservative backed groups either.

I dont like the fact that Cuba jails dissidents-thats completely unacceptable.

As for Chavez he is a populist attention seeker who will ultimately betray his constituent working class voters by crashing the economy and handing power back to the right.

The real South American leader of interest is Michelle Bachelet- the first Woman president elected in here own right in the Americas

 

[nino_savatte]

You gonna tell on me?

Fo someone who likes to think of themselves as intelligent and articulate, you don't half behave like a spoilt brat.

 

[nino_savatte]

The Welsh equivalent is Saeson.

What's happened to phil?

 

[nino_savatte]

AI has an agenda which is socialistic world government. They "do" whatever they think will best serve this goal. The concept of "accuracy" is promoted to mask their role as an advocate of a particular political system. AI is "taken seriously" in direct proportion to whether one supports their goal.

Hi ya, Johnny Reb, still talking about "socialist agendas"? Still calling people "retards"? You wouldn't know socialism if it came up and kicked you in the balls.

 

[fela fan]

Nobody talking about chavez or blair?

Whoops, sorry, wrong thread...

 

[fela fan]

Don't mind me, just having myself a cackle to warm myself up for my very imminent beers.

 

[nino_savatte]

I have never visited Cuba but mu contract is finished next year and I am bidding for a new one in South America-if I get it and assuming I can learn enough Spanish then I will certainly visit cuba and see if it is as great or wicked as people say.

Ifor one find it a little difficult to believe and statistics on health and education produced by a one party state but then I fin it difficlt to accept the premises of documents produced by Neo conservative backed groups either.

I dont like the fact that Cuba jails dissidents-thats completely unacceptable.

As for Chavez he is a populist attention seeker who will ultimately betray his constituent working class voters by crashing the economy and handing power back to the right.

The real South American leader of interest is Michelle Bachelet- the first Woman president elected in here own right in the Americas

I'm afraid I must disagree with you about Chavez. I think he's built up a strong enough base to ensure that handing power to the right never happens. I don't think he is as unsound economically as he is often portrayed as by the [anti-Chavez] media. Sure he is a populist but as populists go, he isn't bad...unlike other populists I could mention.

 

[nino_savatte]

Don't mind me, just having myself a cackle to warm myself up for my very imminent beers.

Fair enough.

 

[fela fan]

But a thought just occurs to me. How ironic is it that the US who claim they're the freedom people, and who lash out at cuba for not being a 'democracy', will then jail their own free citizens for freely choosing to go to cuba?

Deeply is the answer.

In fact it's a very nice clear unambiguous piece of proof that the yanks talk about freedom in one breath, and rip it to shreds in another. The land of the free... total fucking bollocks. Lying gits.

They talk one thing, and act in another. Clear proof, qed, there we are.

 

[fela fan]

Fair enough.

And i'm getting more than a tad excited coz a) i'm going to two new bars tonight, and b) we finally have TWO quality beers to choose from these days...

[meanwhile hop over to the thailand thread i started since at this very moment thousands of demonstrators are gathering in bangkok to request the dictator bastard running this country to get the fuck out of his job. Click on the link if interested...]

 

[nino_savatte]

But a thought just occurs to me. How ironic is it that the US who claim they're the freedom people, and who lash out at cuba for not being a 'democracy', will then jail their own free citizens for freely choosing to go to cuba?

Deeply is the answer.

In fact it's a very nice clear unambiguous piece of proof that the yanks talk about freedom in one breath, and rip it to shreds in another. The land of the free... total fucking bollocks. Lying gits.

They talk one thing, and act in another. Clear proof, qed, there we are.

Well, what are the US authorities afraid of? That any American travelling there will suddenly become infected with the communist 'disease' and return home to spread the 'contagion' around? In many respects, the prevailing attitudes of the ruling classes haven't changed since the 1950's...possibly earlier (to the original Red Scare of the post WWI period).