Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

Chavez tells Blair to "Go right to hell"

nino_savatte said:
I'm afraid I must disagree with you about Chavez. I think he's built up a strong enough base to ensure that handing power to the right never happens. I don't think he is as unsound economically as he is often portrayed as by the [anti-Chavez] media. Sure he is a populist but as populists go, he isn't bad...unlike other populists I could mention.

I fucking love the bloke for speaking out loudly and clearly against the deeply criminal gangs running the US and UK.

It's why i love castro and anybody who does the same. Of course, i'm just being selfish in this respect, but who cares. I reserve my largest dosage of angst for the US regimes, followed by the UK and French ones, and if only more developing world countries spoke like castro and chavez instead of being bought off by the filthy lucre shoved in their faces by western multi-nationals, then their hegemony would be removed.

It's an alliance between our big companies and the corruptible leaders of less developed nations that fucks on all the peoples of those countries.

Long live chavez and castro!
 
nino_savatte said:
Well, what are the US authorities afraid of? That any American travelling there will suddenly become infected with the communist 'disease' and return home to spread the 'contagion' around? In many respects, the prevailing attitudes of the ruling classes haven't changed since the 1950's...possibly earlier (to the original Red Scare of the post WWI period).

The prevailing attitudes of these criminals will never change mate: give to the people the minimum possible to stop them from rising up against them. Keep all else.

[The leader in this country (thailand) has billions of pounds, yes billions. And it's still not enough. Fucking obscene, the whole charade]
 
fela fan said:
I fucking love the bloke for speaking out loudly and clearly against the deeply criminal gangs running the US and UK.

It's why i love castro and anybody who does the same. Of course, i'm just being selfish in this respect, but who cares. I reserve my largest dosage of angst for the US regimes, followed by the UK and French ones, and if only more developing world countries spoke like castro and chavez instead of being bought off by the filthy lucre shoved in their faces by western multi-nationals, then their hegemony would be removed.

It's an alliance between our big companies and the corruptible leaders of less developed nations that fucks on all the peoples of those countries.

Long live chavez and castro!

Chavez is a top bloke and he gets up the noses of the trolls in DC. Dubya is a populist and so is Blair but in some people's eyes, these are acceptable populists. :rolleyes:
 
nino_savatte said:
Well, what are the US authorities afraid of? That any American travelling there will suddenly become infected with the communist 'disease' and return home to spread the 'contagion' around? In many respects, the prevailing attitudes of the ruling classes haven't changed since the 1950's...possibly earlier (to the original Red Scare of the post WWI period).


Of course the USA isn't "afraid" of Cuba, you twit! The embargo is enforced for one reason only: because any presidential candidate who proposed dropping it would lose the state of Florida, and thus the general election. The Miami Cubans occupy *the* pivotal position on the electoral map, and they use it most effectively.
 
phildwyer said:
Of course the USA isn't "afraid" of Cuba, you twit! The embargo is enforced for one reason only: because any presidential candidate who proposed dropping it would lose the state of Florida, and thus the general election. The Miami Cubans occupy *the* pivotal position on the electoral map, and they use it most effectively.

Careful, phil, you're agenda is poking out from beneath your robes.

Pillock.

You and JC should get yourselves a room
 
fela fan said:
But a thought just occurs to me. How ironic is it that the US who claim they're the freedom people, and who lash out at cuba for not being a 'democracy', will then jail their own free citizens for freely choosing to go to cuba?
If the American people tire of the embargo, we can demand that our representatives lift it or else replace them. Do the Cubans get to choose whether Castro stays?

In fact it's a very nice clear unambiguous piece of proof that the yanks talk about freedom in one breath, and rip it to shreds in another. The land of the free... total fucking bollocks. Lying gits.

They talk one thing, and act in another. Clear proof, qed, there we are.
The online forum equivalent of a rubber-tipped spoon being banged furiously on a high-chair tray.
 
rogue yam said:
The online forum equivalent of a rubber-tipped spoon being banged furiously on a high-chair tray.

That's an insightful summary of the majority of your output on this board. Well done.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
He shit himself and ran off a while back. That was his best effort today.

It wasn't a bad effort, by freeper lights.

I always find reading freeper output vaguely disquieting. I think it's down to the fact that although they accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them of being members of the mythological "leftist monothought clique", they are the ones who more often manifest an alarming penchant for startlingly uniform denunciatory prose and prose stylings.
 
Yeah, but they seem terribly uncomfortable when debating on the basis of facts (actual facts, not lying shit their think tanks or their PR scum made up)
 
I know how you feel, fela, though it's clear that the leaders of the "First World", "post-industrial" countries are just as corrupt in their own way, and often even more lap-dogs of big business etc.
More to the point though, it may be great to hear someone like Fidel telling Bush what's what, as we are so starved of that sort of thing by our shitty media (don't know what it's like in Thailand), but that doesn't change the fact that Fidel is an authoritarian dickhead well past his sell-by date. So I'm not surprised that lots of Cubans other than "jineteros", a whole sector of "decent Cubans", in fact, to use Phil's dodgy terminology, are desperate for the bearded one to pop his clogs. (Don't know where Phil got the idea that there's overwhelming support for Fidel in Cuba from, but in several visits I got a different impression, though I don't deny that Castro still has a significant following). The problem is what is going to happen when the regime falls. Freepers' views of what a democratic Cuba would be really amount to little more than saying that it's going to be yet another elitist democracy in which "democracy" is defined as giving the plebs the right to choose between a couple of elite projects that offer them a few sops while essentially promoting the interests of the rich and powerful. It's a nightmare in which Cuba will be plundered by big business and its social programmes dismantled. And as Phil rightly pointed out, the future would then look like today's Dominican Republic, or some other glorious example. And whatever right-wing tossers like yammie say, the simple fact of the matter is that 100% of Cubans live better than 80% of, say, Colombians. It's all very well for neo-cons to bray about democracy, but having the right to trot off on an empty stomach to the polling booth where you get to rubber stamp some suit's wet dream isn't much of a freedom, is it?

As for Blair and the Chav, screw Blair! He's got a fucking cheek to comment on Chavez's links with Cuba, given the UK's particularly unsavoury track record of snuggling up to far worse regimes (Suharto's Indonesia, anyone?)

fela fan said:
I fucking love the bloke for speaking out loudly and clearly against the deeply criminal gangs running the US and UK.

It's an alliance between our big companies and the corruptible leaders of less developed nations that fucks on all the peoples of those countries.

Long live chavez and castro!
 
rogue yam said:
Do the Cubans get to choose whether Castro stays?


Of course they do. Haven't you heard of revolutions? All the best nations start with a good bloody revolution and a period of authoritarian rule.

I bet you could even name one yourself. :)
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Yeah, but they seem terribly uncomfortable when debating on the basis of facts (actual facts, not lying shit their think tanks or their PR scum made up)

Simple reason for that: due to a combination of external propaganda and internal self-delusion they can't see any facts.
 
colacho said:
As for Blair and the Chav, screw Blair! He's got a fucking cheek to comment on Chavez's links with Cuba, given the UK's particularly unsavoury track record of snuggling up to far worse regimes (Suharto's Indonesia, anyone?)

What's worse is that such ironies are never debated by the british media. Mebbe a broadsheet, but i'm meaning the whole lot of it.

Good post that one mate. My comments about castro and chavez were couched in the context of calling the criminals bush and blair for who they are, and in that context i love em both. However i really cannot vouch for how good or bad they are for their own countries.

As for any amount of support castro may have, i can only say that here in thailand there is significant support for their own democractically elected leader who runs the country no differently to a despotic dictator.

The man's a fucking disgrace to humanity and human rights. So just coz a leader may get support from his people, it ain't necessarily so that he's a good man.

But like i say, i've always liked castro coz he's a rare voice in the world that exposes the american and british regimes for what they are: cruel killers and robbers of humanity. Them and their multi-national exploiters are what fucks this world up. And they have the blatant hypocrisy to talk about freedom and democracy while bombing the shit out of innocent human lives.

And yes, if cuba becomes another US-fucked up satellite nation, just like so many, then what the fuck!!

I'm investing a lot of hope in chavez and i hope he can bring more nations on board his anti-US train. Both in s america as well as africa and asia. The world really needs to say no more to the US and lapdog UK directed hegemony.

Meanwhile the american and british people would do well to have their leaders banged up in jail. Wishful thinking of course, but it's exactly where the fuckers belong.
 
fela fan said:
Meanwhile the american and british people would do well to have their leaders banged up in jail. Wishful thinking of course, but it's exactly where the fuckers belong.

Can't say I disagree with that!!!!! :)
 
rogue yam said:
AI has an agenda which is socialistic world government. They "do" whatever they think will best serve this goal. The concept of "accuracy" is promoted to mask their role as an advocate of a particular political system. AI is "taken seriously" in direct proportion to whether one supports their goal.

support this assertion please. otherwise you are just making it up.

"AI is independent of any government, political ideology, economic interest or religion. It does not support or oppose any government or political system, nor does it support or oppose the views of the victims whose rights it seeks to protect. It is concerned solely with the impartial protection of human rights." from http://web.amnesty.org/pages/aboutai-index-eng

rogue yam said:
Well, which is it? "Protection of human rights" or "disproving" neo-conservatism? Why, both, of course. So long as you equate socialism with human rights, that is.

human rights and neo-conservatism are dialectically opposed to one-another's given the one's relentless pursuit of power and capital, and human rights' putting (funnily enough) the rights of a human before this.

i suggest the reason you don't like AI is cos it keeps pointing out areas in which your govt commits human rights violations, and this doesn't sit well with ur "freedom for all" bullshit you try and sell...
 
rogue yam said:
If the American people tire of the embargo, we can demand that our representatives lift it or else replace them. Do the Cubans get to choose whether Castro stays?

The online forum equivalent of a rubber-tipped spoon being banged furiously on a high-chair tray.

What makes you think the American voter is likely to get whatever he or she wants from their elected representatives? I mean, it isn't as though many of them have an actual mandate - is it?

Nothing like the sound of a spoilt brat scweaming and chucking their toys out of the cot - eh, yammie?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Okay....................................................................

Nope, I still don't know how you'd be aware of my dealings with the mods.

Um, that'd be your whining about going to the mods if anyone dared diss you, bubeleh.

Thing is, if you throw a public tantrum, and then action takes place because of that tantrum, then...
 
rogue yam said:
You embarass yourself. Cuba is a dictatorship. The U.S. is not. Face it.


I never said the US was a dictatorship. It did emerge from a revolution against a 'tyrant' though.

I suggested that the Cubans could get rid of Castro if they wanted, by means of a revolution if need be. I'd suggest that, as he has been around for the better part of a geological epoch, they must be reasonably satisfied.
 
Back
Top Bottom