No, mibbe we're talkin at cross purposes here - Tats aren't the end of civilisation, me, I think they look a bit corny, but that's just my taste - Am sure you look like a dripping slice of raw sex with your yakuza effort, that's not the issue for me, what I'm on about is lletsa said ages ago that when capitalism fails (which it will), most of us will die - And he's right, essentially, we're all sunk, this shit can't go on, but it will - til it's too late. We're all doomed, tellin you, I don't like bearing bad news, but it's a burden whether I like it or not.