Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[DrRingDing]

polyamory ≠ polygamy

 

[Idris2002]

polyamory ≠ polygamy

 

[cesare]

A fun joke: "However, was considering releasing my own perfume later in the year. 'Rancor' By Laurie Penny. Smells like teabags, tear gas + sweat."

Back to politics LP says the BBC trashes polyamory in this tweet

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/320166329535569921

Refering to this article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-21753195

I don't see what the BBC has done wrong in that article, can anyone help out?

I suppose they presented it in the context of a nuclear family with the man as head of the household; and from there extrapolating that the women were more at risk of an abusive man. As if polyamory relationships were run on harem principles.

 

[Idris2002]

 

[love detective]

This poetry is offensively bad, she really does have zero self-awareness.

I thought at first it was something that had been dug up from when she was early teens or something and thought it was a bit off to slag her off about it, but it's recent stuff, jesus fuck

 

[tenniselbow]

I suppose they presented it in the context of a nuclear family with the man as head of the household; and from there extrapolating that the women were more at risk of an abusive man. As if polyamory relationships were run on harem principles.

I feel like the article does a pretty good job of explaining the concept and being even-handed to be fair. It's true that it focuses on the likelihood of gendered power imbalances but this seems like a pretty straightforward and important point to me. I see nothing wrong with polyamory in principle but I find it hard to see how equality can truly be found in such relationships in the society in which we live.

 

[love detective]

What is the general opinion of the IWCA critique of multiculturalism on Urban? I read it recently and I thought it was pretty brilliant, I don't imagine that it's a narrative that people outside of student unions and the tiny minority who benefit financially from state multiculturalism would object to either.

over time it had pretty much been generally accepted as the only sensible class based take on m/c

 

[cesare]

I feel like the article does a pretty good job of explaining the concept and being even-handed to be fair. It's true that it focuses on the likelihood of gendered power imbalances but this seems like a pretty straightforward and important point to me. I see nothing wrong with polyamory in principle but I find it hard to see how equality can truly be found in such relationships in the society in which we live.

I don't think the likelihood of gendered power imbalances necessarily increases with polyamorous relationships, or that women are more likely to find themselves in an abusive relationship because of it; which is what I took from the tenor of the piece.

 

[tenniselbow]

I don't think the likelihood of gendered power imbalances necessarily increases with polyamorous relationships, or that women are more likely to find themselves in an abusive relationship because of it; which is what I took from the tenor of the piece.

Yeah I see your point. It seems to me though that coercion into these forms of relationship due to power imbalances is more likely than in two-person relatinships.

I guess the link to the Philpott case is the most damaging point from a perspective that aims to be more open to different forms of relationship.

 

[el-ahrairah]

As is Alan Ginsburg lAURA has written a poem for the '50 shades of feminism' collection based, on...wait...You won't believe it...Howl.

Allan Ginsberg the famous mysogynist and supporter of NAMBLA?

 

[sihhi]

polyamory ≠ polygamy

Rereading, I can see the article at whole could be considered a distraction from wider child protection issues and a gender-divided society.

On yr point isn't 'polygamy' (one man, multiple female partners) a subset of polyamory? Is Thom Brooks wholly wrong to say "Both polygamy and polyamory are more likely, in practice, to privilege men over women” If singlehood > 1-1 marriage > polygamous marriage in terms of equality between male and female, where does polyamory fit in? Don't quite get it all myself.

 

[DrRingDing]

Rereading, I can see the article at whole could be considered a distraction from wider child protection issues and a gender-divided society.

On yr point isn't 'polygamy' (one man, multiple female partners) a subset of polyamory? Is Thom Brooks wholly wrong to say "Both polygamy and polyamory are more likely, in practice, to privilege men over women” If singlehood > 1-1 marriage > polygamous marriage in terms of equality between male and female, where does polyamory fit in? Don't quite get it all myself.

Polygamy is where one person has multiple spouses.
Polyamory is relationship anarchy.

Burn me.

 

[cesare]

Rereading, I can see the article at whole could be considered a distraction from wider child protection issues and a gender-divided society.

On yr point isn't 'polygamy' (one man, multiple female partners) a subset of polyamory? Is Thom Brooks wholly wrong to say "Both polygamy and polyamory are more likely, in practice, to privilege men over women” If singlehood > 1-1 marriage > polygamous marriage in terms of equality between male and female, where does polyamory fit in? Don't quite get it all myself.

I haven't read what Thom Brooks has to say on the matter, or how he arrived at that conclusion; but his premise seems to be based on polyamorous relationships being primarily heterosexual.

 

[tufty79]

Polygamy is where one person has multiple spouses.
Polyamory is relationship anarchy.

Burn me.

 

[rekil]

I demand that editor asks lauriepenny to do a poetry reading at offline.

 

[tufty79]

I demand that editor asks lauriepenny to do a poetry reading at offline.

quick! start a change.org petition!

please

 

[ViolentPanda]

Who ripped tights and dripping make-up smoked alone in bedsits bare mattresses waiting for transfiguration

Who ran half-dressed out of department stores yelling that we didn't want to be good and beautiful

Who glowing high and hopeful were the last to leave the gig our skin crackling with lust and sweat and pure music

Who wrote poetry on each other's arms and cared more about fucking than being fuckable

Who wants more?

Please G-d no! Have you no pity?

 

[sihhi]

Polygamy is where one person has multiple spouses. Polyamory is relationship anarchy. Burn me.

Relationship anarchy. You'll need to explain.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Who worked until our backs stiffened and our limbs sang with the memory of misbehaviour that was what it was to be a woman
Who dared to dance until dawn and were drugged and raped by men in clean T-shirts and woke up scared and sore to be told it was our fault
Who swallowed bosses' patronizing side-eyes stole away from violent broken boys in the middle of the night and vowed never again to try to fix the world one man at a time
Who slammed down the tray of drinks and tore off our aprons and aching smiles and went scowling out into the streets looking for change

You evil evil bastard. I'm going to have to lobotomise myself with a fruit knife now, to make the misery and despair recede!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Relationship anarchy. You'll need to explain.

Have you read "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Heinlein? If so, the "water families" in there are an example of polyamory - multiple people in a group all married to each other.

 

[DrRingDing]

Relationship anarchy. You'll need to explain.

Here let me Google that for you http://lmgtfy.com/?q=relationship+anarchy

 

[flypanam]

Allan Ginsberg the famous mysogynist and supporter of NAMBLA?

Yup, thats who I meant.

 

[TruXta]

Here let me Google that for you http://lmgtfy.com/?q=relationship anarchy

Polyamory isn't the same as relationship anarchy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Who glowed high and hopeful? You did! You did!

Shoot that poison arrow through my heart

I think the third line of the chorus ("You think you're smart. Stupid! Stupid!") suite La pennionara better.

 

[cesare]

Have you read "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Heinlein? If so, the "water families" in there are an example of polyamory - multiple people in a group all married to each other.

Marion Zimmer Bradley's another author that dealt with the subject, also gender relationships and family/community etc

 

[cesare]

Polyamory isn't the same as relationship anarchy.

Depends what DrRingDing means by relationship anarchy, surely?

 

[butchersapron]

Good lord, what an arrogant concept, "relationship anarchy" - the flipside of it being everyone else is a state-authoritarian-relationship mug/sheeple/enemy.

 

[cesare]

I think the third line of the chorus ("You think you're smart. Stupid! Stupid!") suite La pennionara better.

I was going to move onto Rip It Up And Start Again next.

 

[JimW]

She has inspired me, poetry is clearly the medium for our message:

There was a young woman from Brighton,
Who was posh and quite painfully right-on;
She spoke for the youth
Though a stranger to truth
In prose hardly fit to wipe shite on.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I thought at first it was something that had been dug up from when she was early teens or something and thought it was a bit off to slag her off about it, but it's recent stuff, jesus fuck

Jesus is dead. He killed himself after sihhi posted the second slice of doggerel.