Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Firky]

A bottle of Malibu is another tell tale sign,

 

[ViolentPanda]

Same, and the glass fruitbowl that never had any fruit in it

Was there an always well-polished glass-topped coffee table too, Dotty?

 

[frogwoman]

There is something quite moving about that..

Yes, and its an example of how people see themselves that is so different to how activists, however well meaning frequently see them. The article was saying that they actually found that sort of talk insulting and demeaning when they had no intention and did not think of themselves as being the "last" at all.

 

[frogwoman]

if somebody started addressing me in those terms I'd be furious tbh. ymu was saying I tihnk either on this thread or another one about how somebody when finding out her bf was black like "oh, that's really good". Like you're doing them a favour. That is still fucking racism ffs.

Yet the likes of laurie do it to people who work in the jobs ive worked and who have a similar working situation to myself, "the precariat" or whatever, like treat it like sort of exotic species. Like they are something that has to be saved like you would save a - agh. And then wwhen these people do have the odd bit of fun or "cultural interests" or whatever well they cant be that badly off can they.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm not disagreeing with you at all I think it's not quite this / more than this though - they don't think they know everything but their only community is other activists so these are the people they ask when they don't know. They are not really even part of the other communities they might belong to, like at work if they have a normal job, because they see themselves as seperate. Other people at work are just people to be complained about to other activists or surprised by if they happen to show a correct view then confused about like how can they see this but not that?

I think that's something everyone tends to do, whether they're activists or not to be honest. We're not the only people to have strong views on stuff I think though the important point is that a lot of activists dont have "correct views" on everything, I know I fucking don't. So therefore being like "why do they see this and not that" is a question people could equally ask about people involved in political activism and at different times and different places

 

[DotCommunist]

Laurie self described as precariat once. Nearly spat my tea out

 

[frogwoman]

yeah i mean i know i'm in a much better position than a lot of other people i know. To her its become like another fucking identity group though. To identify with and not think about what she's saying.

 

[weepiper]

if somebody started addressing me in those terms I'd be furious tbh. ymu was saying I tihnk either on this thread or another one about how somebody when finding out her bf was black like "oh, that's really good". Like you're doing them a favour. That is still fucking racism ffs.

Yet the likes of laurie do it to people who work in the jobs ive worked and who have a similar working situation to myself, "the precariat" or whatever, like treat it like sort of exotic species. Like they are something that has to be saved like you would save a - agh. And then wwhen these people do have the odd bit of fun or "cultural interests" or whatever well they cant be that badly off can they.

That fucking BBC class calculator thing saying I can't possibly be 'precariat' unless I don't use facebook or go to museums. Another cheek on the same arse as this shit.

 

[frogwoman]

Every fucker's on facebook ffs. You're probably more likely to be middle class if you're not on it

 

[ymu]

It still sounds confusing but I sort of get it.

Not sure I'm fully following this train, but I think the comparison to polygamy is that, in practice, polyamory frequently consists of a bloke that wants to sleep around but still have his tea on the table when he gets home. Just about every documentary I've ever seen on the subject includes at least one polyamorous group where the women have very little sexual freedom, whilst also including some genuine examples of polyamory. Not that documentary-makers are going to give us an unbiased peek into what forms actually dominate in the real world, but there are definitely examples of the term being abused as a cover for polygamy without the paperwork, and it fits with my experience of boyfriends who wanted polyamory. Not so keen when I was keen because it meant I could sleep around too.

 

[ymu]

over time it had pretty much been generally accepted as the only sensible class based take on m/c

Yes. I'm surprised there haven't been more responses to this. I am not IWCA and I am happy to confirm that this is the case on these here boards, and elsewhere AFAIK J Ed.

 

[DrRingDing]

one individual, don't know any other, not naming them either...

Well there's a few folk here that do polyamory. Not right wing or nonces.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Lib Dem Jeanette Winterson;

Really? A Lib Dem?

 

[frogwoman]

its this whole idea that if you have a "normal" job or lifestyle then you must be boring or not have very much going on upstairs

 

[butchersapron]

Really? A Lib Dem?

A particularly sophisticated one it appears:

And here in the UK, we voted in a Tory government because Labour had become incompetent and unelectable. I voted LibDem, and that was a mistake, but I had to vote for someone.

 

[seventh bullet]

I opened my front door in just my underpants to a couple of smartly dressed Mormons once. Sadly, they never returned.

 

[The39thStep]

You mean a shit BBC thing that said i was in 'the precariat'? Yeah, fuming mate, mate.

I was very disappointed there was no intelligentsia class

 

[The39thStep]

I opened my front door in just my underpants to a couple of smartly dressed Mormons once. Sadly, they never returned.

 

[DotCommunist]

Is that the same Jeannette Winterson, author of 'Stone Gods'

Thats slightly tainted my recent enjoyment of said book if so

 

[love detective]

who knows where those underpants are now

 

[frogwoman]

are you sure she is a lib-dem and didn't just vote for them? she didnt seem to me to be the type

 

[tufty79]

Here are anarchists being _____________* at the Cuts Cafe



No I wasn't there and no I won't be going.

*Best inserted word wins a paper graffiti stencil courtesy of ALARM*.

i forgot about this.
they should do a slam with laurie.

 

[The39thStep]

who knows where those underpants are now

down the back of someone's mother's sette in Ryazan probably

 

[frogwoman]

"Cuts Cafe" is not the best choice of name imo, no offence to the people involved but would you call something "Atos cafe" or "bedroom tax cafe"? come on

 

[The39thStep]

"Cuts Cafe" is not the best choice of name imo, no offence to the people involved but would you call something "Atos cafe" or "bedroom tax cafe"? come on

shite menu as well

 

[DotCommunist]

are you sure she is a lib-dem and didn't just vote for them? she didnt seem to me to be the type

looks like its just that, one of many eejits who voted lib dem to punish labour. Theres someone on here who voted lib dem out of those motives and excuses it with 'I'm in Abbots ward, its a labour safe seat'

which makes no sense.

 

[articul8]

who's that, Laurie Penny?

 

[phildwyer]

are you sure she is a lib-dem and didn't just vote for them? she didnt seem to me to be the type

She's totally the type. I always said she was crap.

 

[rekil]

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed

5 Apr​

It's worth reminding that not only is @OwenJones84 doing Labour's work for them, he's doing it ON HIS OWN, with no team behind him. #hero

 

[rekil]