Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[equationgirl]

Nice. I worked in a shop a minimum of two days a week throughout my degree and got a First. Guess I'd better self-combust now.

Me too - worked in the library 20 hours a week for the four years of my PhD. It's nice to know the work is actually a pile of crap.

And it is the fault of the college for not securing the funding.

 

[Sue]

For some reason, makes me think of Zoolander...

 

[Greebo]

For some reason, makes me think of Zoolander...

It's the eyes and lips.

 

[Sue]

It's the eyes and lips.

Blue Steel we are in you.

 

[Greebo]

Blue Steel we are in you.

Not Magnum?

 

[Sue]

Not Magnum?

Working up to that...

 

[equationgirl]

Blue Steel we are in you.

We're really, really ridiculously good-looking

 

[goldenecitrone]

Some might say he never really left her side ie the ruling class for long.

His mother committed suicide when he was 24.

 

[ymu]

ie the ruling class

 

[frogwoman]

I worked all through uni with various jobs. i would have been all right without it but it definitely helped and others i know who did not work through uni have found it a lot harder to get any sort of work ever since. oxford doesn't allow you to work when you're there iirc and i think that's a fucking disgrace, because if you need the money how are you supposed to get it. and even if you dont at the time you're going to need when you leave uni and try to get a job and find that you can't because you haven't been working.

unless you're laurie penny.

 

[weepiper]

oxford doesn't allow you to work when you're there iirc and i think that's a fucking disgrace, because if you need the money how are you supposed to get it.

It's blatantly a way of weeding out the wrong sort.

 

[frogwoman]

a lot of employers actually look for things like working during studying because it shows you are able to work hard, be punctual, balance different things etc. not having any sort of work history while at uni does damage your chances of getting a job but i suppose they dont give a fuck about that.

 

[equationgirl]

I worked all through uni with various jobs. i would have been all right without it but it definitely helped and others i know who did not work through uni have found it a lot harder to get any sort of work ever since. oxford doesn't allow you to work when you're there iirc and i think that's a fucking disgrace, because if you need the money how are you supposed to get it. and even if you dont at the time you're going to need when you leave uni and try to get a job and find that you can't because you haven't been working.

unless you're laurie penny.

To be fair I had to get departmental approval for my p/t library work. It was approved because I was a mature student, I had a mortgage and it was in the uni library. The library also made an exception when they hired me as they didn't hire students as desk staff, but again, I was a mature student (29) so they were cool about it.

I loved that job, it was the best job I've ever had.

 

[Delroy Booth]

I worked all through uni with various jobs. i would have been all right without it but it definitely helped and others i know who did not work through uni have found it a lot harder to get any sort of work ever since. oxford doesn't allow you to work when you're there iirc and i think that's a fucking disgrace, because if you need the money how are you supposed to get it.

It's based on the assumption you should be rich enough not to need to lower yourself to working like a mere commoner if you want to go to Oxford. It's got nothing to do with "concentrating fully on your studies" it's just a way of keeping the poors out, as Damien Shannon has exposed. That's what that fool in the Coal not Dole outfit was defending earlier on, whether or not she knows it. And the irony is Damien Shannon is no lefty, but understands this, whereas that "Model/activist" Ella Raff in the smouldering "lets play dressing up as a dirty prole" outfit would appear to have some pretension of being a left-wing radical but defends the means by which colleges exclude on the basis of income.

 

[8ball]

It's blatantly a way of weeding out the wrong sort.

It used to be normal for universities but has been dropped by most as it has become a necessity for so many. When I was at Uni they officially disapproved but understood that some people needed to get enough money in to be there despite grants (which still existed to some degree), loans etc.

 

[weepiper]

It used to be normal for universities but has been dropped by most as it has become a necessity for so many. When I was at Uni they officially disapproved but understood that some people needed to get enough money in to be there despite grants (which still existed to some degree), loans etc.

I don't recall it even occurring to me to tell the university I was working

 

[yield]

Pope not Newton, and Borges next to Beckett.

It's Voltaire in the wig not Pope. You're right about Borges.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Of course it doesn't hurt for the bosses to have a ready supply of students available as cheap disposable labour...

 

[8ball]

I don't recall it even occurring to me to tell the university I was working

I don't remember if you were expected to tell them at my Uni, just that it was expected that you didn't do more than a certain amount, which was work of a different kind to what a lot of students do now (eg. I did odd bits of bar work and some bits of lab work here and there, but you wouldn't have expected to see students on the till in Sainsbury's for example).

 

[kavenism]

He forgot to mention where he was a Youth Parliament Member for.



http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/pressrelease/pressreleasepage.aspx?id=3730

It's actually Kensington and Chelsea, but the Chelsea bit is missing in his twitter bio.

He’s a complete child in my opinion. Goes out with someone I used to work with in Counterfire and who am still mates with. Perhaps I’m ill-disposed from the last time I met up with them; I took them to a nice pub in Richmond and he proceeded to walk out with the pub’s communal game of risk under his arm. Putz.

 

[killer b]

a lot of employers actually look for things like working during studying because it shows you are able to work hard, be punctual, balance different things etc. not having any sort of work history while at uni does damage your chances of getting a job but i suppose they dont give a fuck about that.

It isn't such a problem for Oxbridge grads, tbf.

 

[cesare]

Me: I thought Oxford think that they're better than Cambridge though?
Button: They don't refer to it by name. It's "the tertiary college in the fens"

 

[Balbi]

Gamekeeper turns, er....

Suzanne Moore took offence that the Spectator had an all male panel on Leveson, despite Evan Harris only taking part after two female panellists couldn't make it. Cue much twitter outrage on her behalf.

 

[barney_pig]

It is odd, but I am sure that somewhere it was mentioned that full time students weren't to work more than a few hours a week; never even thought about it, I work 28-32 hours a week at Sainsburys throughout my BA and my MA, and if I am ever accepted for a phd, will probs do the same again, as well as working 24/7 fostering.
Btw as far as style goes http://workerdandy.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

 

[articul8]

Not sure about Oxbridge, but most PhDs in know have to spend plenty of hours working - teaching, marking, etc.

 

[mrs quoad]

I was invited to trial for Cambridge men's heavyweight rowing. I turned it down because of the required hours [e2a: amongst other things, tbf Like the attitude].

Two training sessions per day, 6 days per week.

The first one is in Ely - so you're minibussed out (driving time 30mins each way? Not including 'getting everyone's shit together' time) for 1-2hrs (?) on the water. With an additional hour or two of weights / boathouse training in the afternoon (can't recall if that's 1 or 2hrs). Add in a minimum of 10 mins to the departure point / boathouse, and that's another 40 mins of cycling each day. On top of 1hr being driven in a minibus, and 2-4hrs training. Each day.

Lightweights and women don't get a minibus (though tbf might not also have so many afternoon sessions), so they get the train to Ely then cycle to the river.

Erm. So putting that much time into paid work might not be acceptable. And a fair few academics might resent what rowing / other sports do to their students. But if you're putting that much time into exhausting yourself *before* even beginning to sit down to work each day, that's just fine! High prestige, even. My college's master would've absolutely loved to have a couple of his students rowing for one of the blue boats!

I'll add: I'd be utterly fucking useless if I even tried to work after the morning session. Let alone the afternoon. No functioning brain cells whatsoever.

 

[butchersapron]

And as for the scum with jobs and families doing OU courses...

 

[DotCommunist]

the cox lol

 

[DaveCinzano]

Anyone interested?

MASTERCLASSES

At the offices of the London Review of Books
Saturday 9 March, £75

We offer you the chance to experiment and tackle the challenges of translating erotica. We will run two half-day translation masterclasses, both from French into English, structured around close work on Emma Becker’s short story.

The story will be sent in advance to participants, who will be invited to prepare their own translation. During the masterclass, discussion will centre on the differences in approach evident in these various translations. Becker herself will be present at the masterclasses.

10 a.m. - Adriana Hunter with Emma Becker

2 p.m. - Polly McLean with Emma Becker

 

[frogwoman]

Anyone interested?

When I saw the £75 I thought that was what they were paying for the day and I could easily do that and would like to apply. However it's not them paying us is it?