Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[lauriepenny]

So how do you want to do this then?

Respectfully, with people who actually have a clue about my work and don't fling about rude baseless accusations then expect me to respond as if they've got a valid argument.

But since that doesn't appear to be an option, I'll be off. Some of you lot still don't seem to understand that I don't have any sort of moral duty to answer your stupid questions or respond to your lies.

Sad really, I actually thought we were getting somewhere.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

#We call it politics#

Is the switch to the first person plural a creative writing device you kids are taught these days, btw? Does it heighten the narrative in some way...or do you actually feel you're speaking for a genuine flesh and blood demographic...and if so, could you describe these people...or even put a name to them?

 

[butchersapron]

Respectfully, with people who actually have a clue about my work and don't fling about rude baseless accusations then expect me to respond as if they've got a valid argument.

But since that doesn't appear to be an option, I'll be off. Some of you lot still don't seem to understand that I don't have any sort of moral duty to answer your stupid questions or respond to your lies.

Sad really, I actually thought we were getting somewhere.

No, how? You mean through the state and top down.

 

[rekil]

Just missing the numerous PMs of support.

 

[wtfftw]

Oh god, so there's to be no comment on peoples- and I mean peoples, not just people you'd like to think oppose the idea of privilege theory- just someone posted a pic of your quotidian room hur hur we must all be shitty trolls and opressed white males etc.

theres quite a bit here since you swanned off to do work, like none of us do OBVIOUSLY, regarding the role of unions and gender politics within unions. Meat and issues.

You'll not bother with that though I suppose. Far easier to dismiss it completely os someone reposted a pic you'd already posted on the internets and then off for Bengali Chai at Firebox ffs

(my bold as can't cut)

I've been finding that bit really interesting. Definitely worth reading.

 

[inva]

Respectfully, with people who actually have a clue about my work and don't fling about rude baseless accusations then expect me to respond as if they've got a valid argument.

your accusations have always been entirely well founded of course. you're a one you are

 

[Captain Hurrah]

with people who actually have a clue about my work

Your work involves not having a clue about the people you claim to speak for.

 

[cesare]

Respectfully, with people who actually have a clue about my work and don't fling about rude baseless accusations then expect me to respond as if they've got a valid argument.

But since that doesn't appear to be an option, I'll be off. Some of you lot still don't seem to understand that I don't have any sort of moral duty to answer your stupid questions or respond to your lies.

Sad really, I actually thought we were getting somewhere.

You seem to be remarkably selective in your reading of the discussion here.

 

[butchersapron]

Too rude for laurie.

 

[Firky]

I like the way she calls it 'work' as though it has some worth.

Oh well, off to watch TV.

 

[JimW]

If only we had a "valid argument" like Laurie's, which boils down to shouting racist and sexist at anyone even slightly disconcerted by the promotion of yet another middle class gobshite as the voice of the left.

 

[8ball]

You lot just like being horrible to white, posh, middle-class people.

 

[rekil]

Back to polite twitter and engaging with vermin like Harry Cole.

 

[snadge]

Respectfully, with people who actually have a clue about my work and don't fling about rude baseless accusations then expect me to respond as if they've got a valid argument.

Your work? All I can see from your work is that it divides the people that matter, I bet you can't do the washing up either.

But since that doesn't appear to be an option, I'll be off. Some of you lot still don't seem to understand that I don't have any sort of moral duty to answer your stupid questions or respond to your lies.

You have a moral duty to address your accusations though.

Sad really, I actually thought we were getting somewhere.

Until you stop thinking you are the 'smartest' kid from a 'smart' school, you won't get anything.

 

[editor]

I've no real opinion about Laurie but, looking back, surely she must agree that this is awful stuff:
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/laurie-pennys-diary-6390227.html

 

[equationgirl]

That's a shame, I was starting to have a dialogue with LP about gender/role politics.

@lauripenny : hope you read my posts, see you next time.

 

[equationgirl]

I like the way she calls it 'work' as though it has some worth.

Oh well, off to watch TV.

Slactivism

 

[8ball]

@lauripenny : hope you read my posts, see you next time.

She'll reappear faster if you post a picture.
She likes pictures.

 

[JimW]

That's a shame, I was starting to have a dialogue with LP about gender/role politics.

@lauripenny : hope you read my posts, see you next time.

You need to get yourself a TUC-funded mentoring role for crap "journalists". All aboard the gravy train!

 

[equationgirl]

You need to get yourself a TUC-funded mentoring role for crap "journalists". All aboard the gravy train!

No, I work for a living.

It was nice to see her respond a little - soon she'll be here for hours like the rest of us.

 

[JimW]

No, I work for a living.

It was nice to see her respond a little - soon she'll be here for hours like the rest of us.

She could have a great future at the Workers' Girder if only she'd embrace chuckleism.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

Was that actually Laurie Penny?
She seems very sensitive for an urban guerrilla. One would almost suspect she was stuck for an answer.

 

[Buckaroo]

Talking of moral duty, I wonder how 'M' is, still alive? Hope she's looking after or at least keeping in touch with her 'friend'.

 

[equationgirl]

She could have a great future at the Workers' Girder if only she'd embrace chuckleism.

It's the only thing that makes sense, chuckleism.

 

[8ball]

Talking of moral duty, I wonder how 'M' is, still alive? Hope she's looking after or at least keeping in touch with her 'friend'.

Nobody mention Skyfall.

 

[equationgirl]

Talking of moral duty, I wonder how 'M' is, still alive? Hope she's looking after or at least keeping in touch with her 'friend'.

And the other disabled people she's interviewed for other articles, it's not just one, although M is probably the worst off.

 

[butchersapron]

Respectfully, with people who actually have a clue about my work and don't fling about rude baseless accusations then expect me to respond as if they've got a valid argument.

But since that doesn't appear to be an option, I'll be off. Some of you lot still don't seem to understand that I don't have any sort of moral duty to answer your stupid questions or respond to your lies.

Sad really, I actually thought we were getting somewhere.

It's not about your work btw it's about how capital has used female entry to the labour market in order to restructure whilst using the rhetoric of female emancipation as cover. Stop being so self -obsessed.

 

[cesare]

It's not about your work btw it's about how capital has used female entry to the labour market in order to restructure whilst using the rhetoric of female emancipation as cover. Stop being so self -obsessed.

I think her actual understanding/knowledge is limited in addition to the lack of lived experience class-wise (obviously she can't help the class she was born into, but she could do a lot more to educate herself).

 

[rekil]

She'll reappear faster if you post a picture.
She likes pictures.

 

[_angel_]

Well exactly- claiming that more women in the boardrooms will somehow solve gender equality conveniently brushes over the fact that the boardrooms are still the problem. It's feminism as a decoy for rampant neoliberalism, and I hate it. I honestly couldn't care less about women in the boardrooms. When are people going to start asking en masse whether a female cleaner, as opposed to a female banker, can 'have it all'?

No swuxdj word as detractive you parasum.