Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[rekil]

We smoked a joint in front of a photo of Che smoking a cigar, like some fractal of revolutionary kitsch.

Now that's radical downtime.

 

[snadge]

I tried to help with the dishes, but, as with most practical skills, I failed.

What the fuck?

 

[DotCommunist]

how do you fail to do the washing up? seems legit

 

[weepiper]

What the fuck?

her mind's on higher things.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

I can't get over the way the dispossessed take over-privileged, posturing, politically illiterate 'creative' types to their very blossom...every time. Do they possess some kinda peasant folk-instinct which senses the solidarity and compassion?

I fuckin loved the 'couldn't wash-up' business'.

Do not fuss comrade señorita...your place in ze struggle eez not here in ze kitchen wiz us simple folks...your gifts are wasted here, your role eez to rouse ze whole world to our plight.

 

[DotCommunist]

now I've got 'Crab-apple in adulusia' to the tune of 'Spanish Bombs' stuck in my head.

 

[Belushi]

Crabapple bothers Seville squatters for fucking Vice.

Isn't that where Stanley Edwards is?

 

[frogwoman]

cant quote for some reason

is that the complimentary version of "whey-faced harridans"?

 

[lauriepenny]

The analysis of pictures of my bedroom is really creepy, guys. I'm really sorry for having a window and a bed, though. Am I not allowed to write about class politics if I have a window and a bed? Should I knock out the window and sleep on the floor?

Anyway, your dismissal of 'identity' politics is getting desperate. You seem really, really anxious to convince yourselves that only the politics of white working class men is actually relevant to economic and social struggle. Those of us who are and who fight for women, people of colour and minorities don't call it 'identity politics', by the way. We just call it 'politics.'

Agree with you about women in boardrooms, though. Terrible straw woman of a non-argument that elides the reality of gender oppression.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Racist.

 

[rekil]

Evenin'.

 

[Firky]

I thought it was a hovel not a bedroom. Do make your mind up.

Now you will swan off again like Lady Muck because you're too afraid to engage with the scary fake lefties.

 

[weepiper]

way to miss the point as usual

 

[lauriepenny]

Apols for typos, by the way, writing this on a phone.

 

[equationgirl]

@lauriepenny

Yes, the whole 'women in the boardroom' quota stuff really makes me angry. I feel that I'll never be judged solely on my merits, no matter how hard I work. I think it's also insulting to women who are already on boards.

 

[rekil]

Proof I can't be a misogynist btw. I backed Nina Zilli and her amazing radfem anthem in last year's eurovision.



But she let the side down.

 

[equationgirl]

@lauriepenny: Also, don't post any photos publically on the internet unless you want them dissected endlessly, by anybody. Because somewhere in the world, someone doesn't like your bedspread.

Anyway, it was an objection to the word 'hovel', given than there's some on this thread who are paying rent to landlords who can't fix mould/damp problems.

I like that you've returned

 

[lauriepenny]

Well exactly- claiming that more women in the boardrooms will somehow solve gender equality conveniently brushes over the fact that the boardrooms are still the problem. It's feminism as a decoy for rampant neoliberalism, and I hate it. I honestly couldn't care less about women in the boardrooms. When are people going to start asking en masse whether a female cleaner, as opposed to a female banker, can 'have it all'?

 

[butchersapron]

Anyway, your dismissal of 'identity' politics is getting desperate. You seem really, really anxious to convince yourselves that only the politics of white working class men is actually relevant to economic and social struggle. Those of us who are and who fight for women, people of colour and minorities don't call it 'identity politics', by the way. We just call it 'politics.'
.

You are the only imposing that view. It stinks. You stink. You are rancid.

 

[love detective]

i'd rather ask why can't a cleaner as opposed to a banker 'have it all'

 

[butchersapron]

You seem really, really anxious to convince yourselves that only the politics of white working class men is actually relevant to economic and social struggle.

Let's see some evidence of this. One single post. Just one.

 

[lauriepenny]

For the record it wasn't me that called it the Hovel- it's Nick's name for the house, I think he used to be a lot richer once. It's pretty grim and the landlord won't fix the bathroom and it's bloody cold, but it's still the nicest place I've lived in London by some way.

 

[cesare]

@lauriepenny

Yes, the whole 'women in the boardroom' quota stuff really makes me angry. I feel that I'll never be judged solely on my merits, no matter how hard I work. I think it's also insulting to women who are already on boards.

The use of quota systems for *any* position doesn't tend to go well. Someone gets discriminated against with positive discrimination as well as the negative kind.

 

[lauriepenny]

I'm just saying, I find that a bit silly too.

 

[butchersapron]

Well exactly- claiming that more women in the boardrooms will somehow solve gender equality conveniently brushes over the fact that the boardrooms are still the problem. It's feminism as a decoy for rampant neoliberalism, and I hate it. I honestly couldn't care less about women in the boardrooms. When are people going to start asking en masse whether a female cleaner, as opposed to a female banker, can 'have it all'?

So, let's see you take on rather than talk for the fawcett society.

 

[lauriepenny]

Quota systems really aren't the problem. Structural inequality is the problem.

 

[equationgirl]

Well exactly- claiming that more women in the boardrooms will somehow solve gender equality conveniently brushes over the fact that the boardrooms are still the problem. It's feminism as a decoy for rampant neoliberalism, and I hate it. I honestly couldn't care less about women in the boardrooms. When are people going to start asking en masse whether a female cleaner, as opposed to a female banker, can 'have it all'?

I am an engineer. I do not describe myself as a female engineer because a man wouldn't describe himself as a male engineer. To describe someone's job or profession in context with their gender, and tie the two together, is the antithesis of what feminism set out to do.

 

[butchersapron]

Quota systems really aren't the problem. Structural inequality is the problem.

What does that mean?

 

[weepiper]

Quota systems really aren't the problem. Structural inequality is the problem.

zomg we're getting somewhere at last

 

[lauriepenny]

So, let's see you take on rather than talk for the fawcett society.

Um, I've written loads of articles and a book and given umpteen talks about precisely this topic, the erasure of class consciousness in modern feminism.