Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[SpineyNorman]

I actually am starting to get quite cross about how she keeps crying 'woman hating!' at the slightest thing as an attempt to distract from addressing any criticism of her. And I'm a pretty rabid feminist.

Quite right too - she devalues the concept of misogyny every time she does it IMO

 

[sihhi]

You don't Laurie. But you do owe an explanation as to why you called two committed anti-racists racists.

I'm going to look out for events she's speaking at and go and heckle her mercilessly from now on.

I can't make it to this wrong time etc but she returns as a speech-giver at the London School of Economics:

"Public Lecture: Women, Protest and the Nature of Female Rebellion

Speaker: Ms Laurie Penny

Date: Tuesday 22nd January 2013
Time: 6.30-8pm
Venue: Sheikh Zayed Theatre, New Academic Building

'A talk about women, protest and the nature of female rebellion, when that rebellion must take place on structural as well as personal fronts to be effective. Taking in Pussy Riot and the 2011 uprisings and stretching back to the Paris Commune, a contextual look at how the rage and pride of women is personal, political - and endlessly powerful.' Laurie Penny is a journalist, blogger and author. She is a columnist and reporter for The Independent and has written for The New Statesman, The Guardian, The Nation, Salon and many other publications."

I'll try and find someone who might know someone to ask a question on how accusing anti-racists of being racists qualifies as female rebellion.

 

[Athos]

Quite right too - she devalues the concept of misogyny every time she does it IMO

The girl who cried Wolfie.

 

[rekil]

Is it permanent? Or will I be able to access my account again tomorrow?

Steel Icarus had this problem and it got resolved. I'll see if he can help.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Hi Blagsta - I've had this problem a few times now. PM if you want, so we don't clog up here with this shite

 

[gawkrodger]

This is the most fun we've had with an oxbridge educted lib dem who doesn't know which side they're on since Paddick left.

I laughed.

She's utterly fucking clueless. Cringeworthy to watch

 

[equationgirl]

I actually am starting to get quite cross about how she keeps crying 'woman hating!' at the slightest thing as an attempt to distract from addressing any criticism of her. And I'm a pretty rabid feminist.

Yes, this really annoys me too, makes me cross. You can tell she's not living in the real world through that alone.

And trolling her? I think she's just validated every negative thing ever said about her on this thread through how she's behaved today. Calling people, committed anti-racists, racists and then refusing to apologise is well out of order.

 

[equationgirl]

And female rebellion? Fuck the fuck off.

Just for the record @lauriepenny disagreement with you in any context is not misogyny or 'being a hater'.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Yes, this really annoys me too, makes me cross. You can tell she's not living in the real world through that alone.

And trolling her? I think she's just validated every negative thing ever said about her on this thread through how she's behaved today. Calling people, committed anti-racists, racists and then refusing to apologise is well out of order.

She's come across as a bit spoilt and unpleasant. Vive la revolution.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Also aren't her repeated attacks on Julie Bindel also misogynistic:

26 Nov 2007: 'Giving Feminism a bad name': "Julie Bindel, the headline speaker at this year's anniversary event, spokesperson for the spirit of feminist direct action, genuinely hates men."

If a woman refuses to accept brothels being advertised in magazines, or questions medical establishment's eagerness for surgery in trans-sexual cases, then she 'hates men'. Then lying about interviewing JB for her book, and changing her words from a brief general phone conversation.
I don't agree with all of JB's politics, but wouldn't dream of saying she genuinely hates men.

Yeah, I'm far from in agreement with a lot of what JB comes out with but I've still got quite a bit of time for her though.

 

[equationgirl]

She's come across as a bit spoilt and unpleasant. Vive la revolution.

Totes spoilt

 

[Frances Lengel]

"
"There have been many afternoons, in that black and bile-encrusted teatime of the soul, when I've come to on the carpet, my DMs full of vomit, with an HIV-positive transsexual schoolgirl from southend mopping up the bloodstains on my arms and legs with a copy of The Complete Nietzsche, when I've thought to myself, 'why can't I be more like Cheryl Cole?' And yes, there have been times, practising Kuburi rope bondage on a rooftop in Haringay with otherwise well-behaved undergraduates from respectable homes, snorting Ketamine off the shrivelled genitals of today's misspent youth and screaming my latest psychotic break to the sky whilst listening to the music of My Chemical Romance, that I've wept for the latest puffball dress or bikini waxing treatment.... There have been nights, getting my nipples pierced by illegal immigrants in Soho, five fags clamped between my teeth, tripping my tits off on a ground-up-and-snorted copy of Heat magazine, that I've wished that I had the figure of Geri Halliwell or the address book of Jade Goody.... And often I've staggered home from binge-drinking in terrible pubs with my pinko commie bisexual friends, mainlining raspberry flirtinis and gang-raping local members of the landed middle-classes with copies of The Socialist Worker, only to bleed my expensively educated brains away in front of Big Brother 18: Stripper Slaughter Nightmare, and on waking to find the words 'what went wrong?' tattoed into my forearms with a blunt stanley knife, I've wondered...what went wrong? Tell me something I don't know, Tanya [Gold, Guardian journalist], and tell it to me without anodine celebrity name-dropping. Tell me what it's like to be a young (or not so young) woman growing up in a world that wants too much of you. We are infinitely more fucked up than you realise, and infinitely more in control than the trim-taglined world of 'grown-up' journalism can understand or countenance."

Let's have it right, we've all been there.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Yes, this really annoys me too, makes me cross. You can tell she's not living in the real world through that alone.

The problem is that she is living in 'the real world'.

 

[equationgirl]

The problem is that she is living in 'the real world'.

Bollocks is she.

 

[equationgirl]

The problem is that she is living in 'the real world'.

I don't know any other woman that crys 'misogynist' when she's disagreed with. That's what happens in the real world, people disagree with each other all the time, they don't shout misogynist or racist.

 

[SpineyNorman]

The problem is that she is living in 'the real world'.

Fucking hell. How can you - even you - seriously believe this?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Fucking hell. How can you - even you - seriously believe this?

Doesn't he mean that she is real, she does have influence, however malevolent, and is making her crust in such a self-serving way? That's how I read it. could be wrong.

 

[equationgirl]

Anyway, enough for me, I have work in the morning. That workers' bomb won't build itself.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Anyway, enough for me, I have work in the morning. That workers' bomb won't build itself.

On barricade duty myself. Schlaf jut, genosse.

 

[Citizen66]

I actually am starting to get quite cross about how she keeps crying 'woman hating!' at the slightest thing as an attempt to distract from addressing any criticism of her.

she should be bestowed with honorary membership of the tuts.

actually that's another thread of the year nomination that needs adding.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Why does she always go on about smoking roll ups like its cool? You'll regret taking up smoking, sugar - It's the one addiction that you can't come to terms with.

 

[Nylock]

I wouldn't be surprised if she came back on for the odd sentence here and there tomorrow, answered the odd non-challenging question and then fucked off back to twitterland to watch this thread expand by yet another 10 pages... U75 trolled by la penny... who'd have thought it....

@pennyred: You also owe spiney and the other antifash you accused of being that which they fight against an apology. Not that it will be forthcoming of course...

 

[discokermit]

Why does she always go on about smoking roll ups like its cool? You'll regret taking up smoking, sugar - It's the one addiction that you can't come to terms with.

it is cool.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Why does she always go on about smoking roll ups like its cool?

For the same reasons Harold Wilson smoked a pipe in public and a cigar in private At least Tony Benn smoked his pipe for real (and still does, aged 88)

No doubt smoking roll-ups fits in with the image she's trying to construct of herself.

 

[Riklet]

omg so cringe

 

[cockneyreject]

Fuck me it must be fun less in her circles! <------I know funless be one word....or not! I'm certainly no journo!

 

[cockneyreject]

Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Prince Rhyus, Dec 25, 2010.

Just an observation ---> Hardly 'current affairs' anymore!

 

[Citizen66]

I haven't really been paying much attention of her (or this thread until today) but she reads like a satirical construct of what the wealthy thinks squatters are like. For that audience.

 

[cockneyreject]

I haven't really been paying much attention of her (or this thread until today) but she reads like a satirical construct of what the wealthy thinks squatters are like. For that audience.

I think that's the 'market' she's playing too, she cut her niche and she's gonna milk it for all it's worth.

 

[goldenecitrone]

I think that's the 'market' she's playing too, she cut her niche and she's gonna milk it for all it's worth.

Well, it is a way to make money. As long as you can deal with the people who see through you.