Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[The39thStep]

Camila Vallejo is at the NUS do in the University of East London. How unfortunate that the voice of global youth rebellion is swanning about new york for no apparent reason and whining about being broke. We could've had a proper new left vs old left smackdown.

Isn't she the Chilean Claire Solomon?

 

[rekil]

Isn't she the Chilean Claire Solomon?

“We Communists are used to losing. Like Clare Solomon. I tell Camila that she won’t really become a leader until she learns what it is to lose. Like Clare Solomon.”

 

[revol68]

Just to say I think there is a huge difference between Dauve's arguments around paedophilia and Hakim Bey's, one is really just a kind of abstract historicism and the other is just an outright justification from an actual nonce. Like Butcher's said one is incidental (a kind of solophism), the other is pretty central.

Also Dauve has some worthwhile ideas, Bey is completely worthless, and I detested his TAZ shite before it became clear he was a paedo.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just to say I think there is a huge difference between Dauve's arguments around paedophilia and Hakim Bey's, one is really just a kind of abstract historicism and the other is just an outright justification from an actual nonce. Like Butcher's said one is incidental (a kind of solophism), the other is pretty central.

Also Dauve has some worthwhile ideas, Bey is completely worthless, and I detested his TAZ shite before it became clear he was a paedo.

why did you destest bey's stuff before it became clear he was a nonce?

 

[Idris2002]

why did you destest bey's stuff before it became clear he was a nonce?

I've read Pickman's question here in the voice of a Victorian maiden aunt. It's great fun - try it for yourself.

 

[revol68]

why did you destest bey's stuff before it became clear he was a nonce?

cos it's utter incoherent drivel far more fitted to bourgeois individualism and middle class lifestylism than class struggle anarchism.

 

[love detective]

just try being openly pedophile these days

 

[el-ahrairah]

why did you destest bey's stuff before it became clear he was a nonce?

a TAZ is basically a teenage party in those heady times when it's hours before mum and dad get home and nothing needs to be worried about. surely most people would prefer a Permanent Autonomous Zone.

 

[revol68]

His side comments on sexual violence also display this kind of abstract historicism, and of course the approach that flattens out the singularity of the holocaust. oh im talking about Dauve here, Bey isnt worth discussing.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've read Pickman's question here in the voice of a Victorian maiden aunt. It's great fun - try it for yourself.

a handbag?

 

[Pickman's model]

cos it's utter incoherent drivel far more fitted to bourgeois individualism and middle class lifestylism than class struggle anarchism.

as both of which are, i submit, incoherent shite.

 

[Random]

cos it's utter incoherent drivel far more fitted to bourgeois individualism and middle class lifestylism than class struggle anarchism.

That's probably why I liked it when I read it in 1998 or so.

 

[revol68]

That's probably why I liked it when I read it in 1998 or so.

I read parts of it around then, immediately followed by Bookchins unbridgeable chasm, a fine palate cleanser.

 

[Idris2002]

a handbag?

A handbag?

 

[Pickman's model]

A handbag?

 

[rekil]

Anybody got that clip of Solomon shouting 'I'm in charge!' at someone who was doing protest wrong?

 

[Random]

I read parts of it around then, immediately followed by Bookchins unbridgeable chasm, a fine palate cleanser.

Me too, but I'd already read some of his writings from the 1960s, where he'd talked about rebellious students and so on forming a "new class" that was the new revolutionary agent (iirc 15 years on). So I couldn't take his condemnation of the new anarkids too seriously.

 

[ska invita]

Yep, a Commie who was actually in Buchenwald...

I forget the correct psychoanalytic term for it - transference maybe? -where victims of trauma/violence, carry out similar acts as a coping mechanism (have a book at thome I could check if i remember)...certainly well documented with holocaust survivors...i doubt anyone who experienced the camps would've left without permanent psychological damage.

 

[The39thStep]

Anybody got that clip of Solomon shouting 'I'm in charge!' at someone who was doing protest wrong?

No but I think the world is ready for a Brit version of this as a Xmas special

 

[DotCommunist]

polly tonybee in a leather onsie. fuck me.

 

[love detective]

Anybody got that clip of Solomon shouting 'I'm in charge!' at someone who was doing protest wrong?

this one was also a favorite

 

[DaveCinzano]

a TAZ is basically a teenage party in those heady times when it's hours before mum and dad get home and nothing needs to be worried about.

Beware - inside all our heads lurks our own Guido the Killer Pimp

 

[bluestreak]

mine doesn't lurk in my head, he hangs around in the landing commenting on my dress sense

 

[barney_pig]

No but I think the world is ready for a Brit version of this as a Xmas special

what is the point of giving supermarket security guards guns if they won't use them?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

That's probably why I liked it when I read it in 1998 or so.

Cheg liked it because?

 

[weepiper]

Laurie Penny‏@PennyRed​

Reading Gala Darling and Cat Marnell, sort of want to write a beauty-lifestyle column for scruffy nomadic queer anarchist punks. BUT WHERE?

 

[butchersapron]

It's like she has NO VOICE.

 

[weepiper]

It's like she has NO VOICE.

SO oppressed

 

[DotCommunist]

far away from here. Mogadishu. the Congo.

 

[butchersapron]

SO oppressed

If she and her mates think i wouldn't first lock them up for a year then starve then massacre them, then they're wrong.