You don't say who that quote is from, but there's no chance that foreigners will be prevented from entering or leaving the country. I just bought a round trip ticket today.
2016 Coup in Turkey?
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You don't say who that quote is from, but there's no chance that foreigners will be prevented from entering or leaving the country. I just bought a round trip ticket today.
Can't disagree with that. But there's no denying that Erdogan was democratically elected, several times. He speaks for people who were denied a voice for many years. People for whom the Kemalists did absolutely nothing in the 70-odd years they controlled the country. Now they are paying the price for their negligence.
Make them stand in the naughty corner.
elbows
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miss direct
misfungled
You don't work for the government and enter and exit using a card that states as much.
coley
Well-Known Member
Daft eh?
Just off the top of me head, never claimed to be an 'expert in such matters, unlike your goodself.
But, trying to direct the country towards nationalist, religious 'values' and in doing so, divide the various communities into them ( those who oppose him) and us.
Blatant racism, one who is going to deport 11 million illegals and build a wall to make sure they don't come back, and Erdogan who, if we take a good look at his policies would love to do unto the Kurds what his predecessors did unto the Armenians and Greeks.
Two very unpleasant characters, one of which will be, hopefully laughed into oblivion, the other, much strengthened, will inflict untold damage on an area already damaged beyond belief.
coley
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While his supporters load up the machine guns, ain't going to be pleasant, but it might hopefully remove the wool from the eyes of those in the EU who have supported him.
coley
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Are you for real?
I wouldn't be travelling anywhere near thon place even if Thomas Cook offered me first class and a 5 star for £50, refundable.
coley
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Given they are probably being practically given away, nows the time to 'visit Turkey'
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I take it you support the military regime in egypt then? And you think that Turkey would not be a dictatorship if the coup had succeeded? Do you know anything about the history of the place? They had years of brutal military dictatorship - but I guess that was okey dokey cos they were secularists?
coley
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And now we are heading into years of a brutal Islamic dictatorship? not much better than the secularists from the view of the poor bugger on the street, but a huge game changer from a European security POV.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Certainly looks that way. Although im not sure how "islamic" Erdogan is. Dont know loads about him, but hes seems to be a brtual, power hungry demagogue first and foremost - rather than motivated by deeply held jihadi-ism.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
One thing's for sure, unemployment has grown significantly in Turkey in the last few days.
Wikileaks weighs in...
WikiLeaks - Search the AKP email database
Wikileaks weighs in...
WikiLeaks - Search the AKP email database
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Just providing a neutral service again aren't they.
Schmetterling
I saw something nasty in the woodshed!
I was posting from the village and the internet speed was appalling (back in E/land now), thank you for posting that properly!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
thought something like that, glad to help
I don't have much choice, since I've got family and friends over there. But even if I did have a choice, I'd still go. No sense in getting intimidated, that only emboldens the violent.
Once again you conflate "the Kurds" with the PKK. And once again, I tell you that this is equivalent to conflating "the Irish" with the IRA.
Remember how many Americans used to do just that, and how silly they looked for doing so? You and others here make an identical error with regard to the PKK.
It's unlikely. Turkey will never be Iran. But the current version of Islamism is bad enough.
No, prices are perfectly normal. There's no reason for foreigners to be worried, and most people can keep the risks in perspective.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
A question... what are the chances that Erdogan would decide to withdraw from NATO?
Assuming that he really does believe the coup was backed by the US that is. I think he really does believe that, that it really was backed by the US via a Gulen network in the military, and that Erdogan was simply very ready "I been waitin" so to speak, with lists and everything.
Assuming that he really does believe the coup was backed by the US that is. I think he really does believe that, that it really was backed by the US via a Gulen network in the military, and that Erdogan was simply very ready "I been waitin" so to speak, with lists and everything.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
the chances that Turkey will withdraw from NATO are significantly higher than the chances that NATO will kick Turkey out - both however are pretty slim. not only does Turkey like the security that NATO membership brings, NATO takes the view that Turkey nursing a grudge against NATO is going to be more dangerous, less predictable and more brutal/authoritarian than Turkey inside the fold. tent, pissing out etc...
that said, membership of NATO is a somewhat elastic concept. there are already huge differences in how different NATO members are treated by other NATO members with regards to information sharing and defence cooperation, and vast differences in how seriously and grudgingly different NATO members take their obligations - the term 'semi-detached' leaps to mind for a handful of NATO members, and 'completely out of view' probably applies to at least one...
relations with NATO have never, to my understanding and experience, ever been warm, but they have been close - now, and for many years, they've not been close either. Erdogan dislikes the limits that NATO membership puts him under, and its obvious that he massively distrusts other NATO states and possibly the NATO structures as well - personally however i don't think he wants to move out from under the NATO umbrella, particularly as this would free up the NATO states to persue the policies in the area they might like to, but are currently unable to so as to not undermine the security of a fellow NATO member.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
As as pointed out to you before the Turkish government uses collective punishment, limits free speech, engages in torture and assault of the whole Kurdish community.
Turkey 2015/2016
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gaslit at scale.
Thanks for your thoughts.
This article might also be interesting, note that Katehon contains Dugin:
http: //katehon.com/article/eurasian-bloc-turkey-erdogan-and-kemalists-against-gulen-and-us
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're linking to fascist third-position style site just with a eurasianist emphasis once more. Cheers. Dugin ffs
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
We don't get anywhere when we stick our finger in our ears and say nar nar nar. I'd be more interested in how you take down what the article has to say, would be more useful overall.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm not reading anything from a site that is based around promoting Dugin's fascist views thanks. That fact that you're hanging around such sites again is of more interest.
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