2016 Coup in Turkey?

[teqniq]

I am guessing they mean foreign policy.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am guessing they mean foreign policy.

that's why it's pisspoor

 

[Manter]

I've a friend in Iraqi Kurdistan who is a Syrian Kurd, he wants to come here but he can't get his passport as it is too unsafe to go back to Syria. He thinks if I just invite him to come, the government will allow him as he is trustworthy and hardworking. I keep trying to explain that it doesn't work like that! He doesn't want to come here illegally.

He wouldn't be able to come here if he got his passport.... There is no way to come here legally. It's scandalous but seems to be accepted

 

[teqniq]

 

[butchersapron]

Anyone know who Erdogan supports? Galatasaray President just been nicked for being part of coup attempt. Wouldn't it be a surprise if it was Fenerbahçe. Oh look, it is.

 

[butchersapron]

Finance Ministry sacks/supsend 1500 employees. Aggressive berufsverbot here we come.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Interesting picture that kind of adds weight to "stitch-up" theories. The rifles are a HK G3 variant built under licence, but replaced by the MPT-76 and supposedly taken out of anything but reserve and civil defence service. While I'm familiar with the idea of giving conscripts shitty kit, if you've already been issuing your new rifle to active units - including conscripts - for 3 years, why would so many old weapons be in evidence?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Very good point! But there's always the "supposedly"

 

[gawkrodger]

completely off-topic, but how many major armies have their service rifle chambered to 7.62 nowadays? I can't think of any

 

[Spymaster]

completely off-topic, but how many major armies have their service rifle chambered to 7.62 nowadays? I can't think of any

Russia still uses it.

 

[gawkrodger]

not as their main service rifle - 5.45

Just was wondering why the Turkish military appears to have ignored pretty much worldwide military consensus

 

[elbows]

And so the high level confessions start, complete with possible facial injury.

 

[Pickman's model]

And so the high level confessions start, complete with possible facial injury.

please take screengrabs of tweets

 

[Mr.Bishie]

not as their main service rifle - 5.45

Just was wondering why the Turkish military appears to have ignored pretty much worldwide military consensus

Lots of countries still use 7.62 - Finland, Hungary & Czeh Rep to name three in Europe.

 

[Pickman's model]

Lots of countries still use 7.62 - Finland, Hungary & Czeh Rep to name three in Europe.

what about slovakia?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

what about slovakia?

A quick google - vz.58p 7.62

 

[elbows]

The story about the former air force chief has, er, evolved.

Turkey coup attempt: General Akin Ozturk denies role in plot - BBC News

A former air force commander has denied being a ringleader of Friday's attempted military coup in Turkey.

Gen Akin Ozturk and 26 senior officers were charged with treason and remanded in custody by a court on Monday, the state-run Anadolu news agency said.

But in a statement to prosecutors, the general insisted: "I am not the person who planned or led the coup."

Anadolu had earlier quoted him as telling interrogators that he had "acted with intention to stage a coup".

 

[tim]

Wasn't the last hanging in the Six Counties a bit later than that? Going off dim recall of a fictional version of the case.

Wo death sentences for killing police amd military in the 1970's both commuted to life imprisonment. The death penalty in the North was abolished in 1973.

The last death sentence in the Republic of Ireland was in 1985, but was also commuted. Capital punishment in Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gawkrodger]

Lots of countries still use 7.62 - Finland, Hungary & Czeh Rep to name three in Europe.

Not sure any quite count as major armies mind - of the four mentioned, on the global firepower ranking, 3 of the 4 aren;t even in the top 50, and Czech republic is mid 30s. Turkey is 8th.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Tanks don't work.

 

[coley]

Daft - Erdogan has had an ever-expanding list for the last decade. Of course someone who has been trying to remove these people through legal or constitutional means since being in power is going to have a list drawn up.

This "coup" is an 'unexpected 'godsend'
Bunch of inexperienced Boy Scouts urged by the usual suspects into launching a 'coup' leads to those who could have led a popular coup in a couple of years being emasculated, wot a surprise!

 

[coley]

The more I read the more I fancy changing the title of this thread to 'A very Convenient Coup' .

Aye, you wouldn't be far wrong in doing that, used to think that Turkey was an example of Islam emerging from it's very own 'dark ages'
But power seeking clerics seem to tap into the same veins of power seekers everywhere, Trump and Erdogan! Can anyone see a real difference?

 

[instape]

Interesting picture that kind of adds weight to "stitch-up" theories. The rifles are a HK G3 variant built under licence, but replaced by the MPT-76 and supposedly taken out of anything but reserve and civil defence service. While I'm familiar with the idea of giving conscripts shitty kit, if you've already been issuing your new rifle to active units - including conscripts - for 3 years, why would so many old weapons be in evidence?

Don't think there are that many in service yet,
not enough to make the G3 "rare" anyway.

Turkey-Received 5,000 MPT-76 rifles out of the ordered 35,000 as of 2015. The Turkish Armed Forces eventually plans on buying up to 500,000 rifles, making the MPT its main service and combat rifle for the Turkish Army all while decommissioning the aging HK G3 out of service.[8] The MPT-76 is also being adopted by certain military and police special forces divisions aswell.

from;

MPT-76 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Janes seems to agree, but without paying I can't be sure.

Turkey orders more MPT-76 service rifles | IHS Jane's 360

Does seem V. inept job of a coup, surely they have a few old plans knocking about?
Even watching "Valkerie" would have put them right on the basics.

 

[coley]

completely off-topic, but how many major armies have their service rifle chambered to 7.62 nowadays? I can't think of any

Not enough, this idea of letting the opposition get that close you can decimate them while exchanging opposing personal political views isn't what real warfare is all about

 

[miss direct]

Um, so I just had an email from the Prime Minister of Turkey saying we all have to go back to work immediately (oh yeah, and that we're not allowed to leave the country! *civil servants - government workers) All the more reason to stay in Hong Kong, I think!

 

[teqniq]

Yes I saw that yesterday but surely it only applies to Turkish nationals? They can hardly tell foreigners they can't leave surely? Best stay in Hong Kong I think you think right.

 

[Manter]

Blimey miss direct that's a bit creepy.

Still can't figure out the detained numbers. Armenian I follow and BBC say 6,000 detained, mix of professions, deputy mayor of Istanbul shot.... But doesn't seem to be universally reported.

The Syrian is baffled by why Europe is so concerned about what Erdogan does next. He thinks he will 'of course' crack down because the coup attempt shouldn't have happened. And prises his restraint while it went on. Apparently loads of Syrians are changing their profile pic to Erdogan's face. Non-Kurds, obv

(I actually got a bit annoyed)

 

[Celyn]

Erdogan's "restraint"? Wow, your Syrian chap is great, but in this case I'm amazed at his apparent lack of cynicism. I agree Erdogan will "crack down" (oh what a harmless little phrase for a LOT of prison and blood and death) but things have ever so conveniently played into Erdogan's hands. Does TS think Erdogan's new cracked-down-no-longer secular Turkey is a good idea?

I feel a bit stupid, as I reckon your Syrian probably has a lot more clue than I do what's going on, but I must disagree with him there. But he must have a fair bit of insight to offer, so I hope I can learn something.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes I saw that yesterday but surely it only applies to Turkish nationals? They can hardly tell foreigners they can't leave surely? Best stay in Hong Kong I think you think right.

i wouldn't like to bet my liberty on being allowed to leave the country on the basis of being a foreigner.

 

[Celyn]

i wouldn't like to bet my liberty on being allowed to leave the country on the basis of being a foreigner.

Plus, you could find that you were, as a foreigner, allowed to get the hell out, but might meet airport officials or whatever who are not really au fait with things and think you are not allowed to leave. I mean, there could be a certain amount of confusion and nervousness around. Just possibly.