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2016 Coup in Turkey?

tim said:
We abolished the death penalty in 1964 before we joined the EEC. The last execution in France was in 1977 a couple of decades after it joined.
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Ok but the EU sees the death penalty as being anti-human rights, so I imagine if the UK decided to bring it back - it would be easier to do so post brexit rather than whilst a member of the organisation, iyswim?
 
coley said:
Have the Turkish Kurds ever been allowed a referendum on their autonomy?
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Of course not, the Turkish government has only recently got round to accepting that the Kurds have any rights at all.

The 1920 Treaty of Sevres between the Ottomans and the victors of WW1 had a clause that would have created an autonomous Kurdish region in the truncated Turkish/Ottoman state. This was abrogated by the treaty of Lausanne, following the Turkish revolution and the realisation that the new revolutionary government could not so easily be pushed around.
 
krtek a houby said:
Ok but the EU sees the death penalty as being anti-human rights, so I imagine if the UK decided to bring it back - it would be easier to do so post brexit rather than whilst a member of the organisation, iyswim?
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There's no political will to do so, parliamentary votes on reintroduction were held severaltimes in the 70's, 80's and 90's and heavily defeated each time.
 
tim said:
Of course not, the Turkish government has only recently got round to accepting that the Kurds have any rights at all.

The 1920 Treaty of Sevres between the Ottomans and the victors of WW1 had a clause that would have created an autonomous Kurdish region in the truncated Turkish/Ottoman state. This was abrogated by the treaty of Lausanne, following the Turkish revolution and the realisation that the new revolutionary government could not so easily be pushed around.
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Ta, but the question was meant as a sarcastic dig towards our resident Turkish expert and fervid supporter of all things Erdogan;)
 
coley said:
Have the Turkish Kurds ever been allowed a referendum on their autonomy?
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No. I think most unbiased foreigners would sympathize with their situation.

The problem with the PKK is not so much their end, but the means by which they pursue it.
 
7850 polis ve 3000 asker etkisiz hale getirildi. Sayın cumhurbaşkanım önderliğinde devletimiz FETÖ'cü hainlerden temizleniyor inşAllah

Looking like 7850 police detained - not sure this was overnight or yesterday too, but first I've heard of it
 
Manter said:
There is someone who does amazing work in Calais posting enthusiastically pro Erdogan stuff today- bizarre because some of the thousands of people she supports in the camp are Kurds running away from him.
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Really? I thought most of the Kurds were Syrian or Iraqi. That's quite interesting. Are Turkish Kurds able to claim asylum in the UK? I know of one, but he has been here 12 years and his claim is still being processed.
 
krtek a houby said:
On a tangent here but I wonder would the Govt be able to bring back the death penalty in the UK, post brexit?
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One of the most interesting things i've read on the whole Brexit voting analysis was this:
The correlation between voting leave & liking the idea of reintroducing the death penalty was apparently really strong: "the probability of voting Brexit rises from around 20 per cent for those most opposed to the death penalty to 70 per cent for those most in favour. Wealthy people who back capital punishment back Brexit. Poor folk who oppose the death penalty support Remain.."
Brexit Voters: NOT the Left Behind
But ye, a total tangent that doesn't belong in this thread.
 
bimble said:
One of the most interesting things i've read on the whole Brexit voting analysis was this:
The correlation between voting leave & liking the idea of reintroducing the death penalty was apparently really strong: "the probability of voting Brexit rises from around 20 per cent for those most opposed to the death penalty to 70 per cent for those most in favour. Wealthy people who back capital punishment back Brexit. Poor folk who oppose the death penalty support Remain.."
Brexit Voters: NOT the Left Behind
But ye, a total tangent that doesn't belong in this thread.
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Have you any comments on the methodology?
 
Geri said:
Really? I thought most of the Kurds were Syrian or Iraqi. That's quite interesting. Are Turkish Kurds able to claim asylum in the UK? I know of one, but he has been here 12 years and his claim is still being processed.
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It's very difficult to tell who is entitled to what tbh, as the whole system is such a mess. For example, statistically, Costa Ricans were more successful at claiming asylum than Iraqis for about three months last year.

It's also difficult to tell what nationality the Kurds in Calais are, often; many go from Turkey to Iraqi Kurdistan and then on to Europe; many Syrian Kurds spend some time in Turkey trying to make life work before moving on- in the camp the Kurds tend to stick together and describe themselves as Kurds. There are a few exceptions- Syrian Kurds who stick with the Syrians, mostly. But on the whole if you're describing the camp you say Syrians, Iraqis, Sudanese, Eritreans, Kurds... And there are two Kurds I know are Turkish who say they are Iraqi- they lived there a long time so I imagine no one will catch them out this side; but a Syrian Kurd is certain they are Turks. It's a murky old place over there.
 
Daft - Erdogan has had an ever-expanding list for the last decade. Of course someone who has been trying to remove these people through legal or constitutional means since being in power is going to have a list drawn up.
 
butchersapron said:
Daft - Erdogan has had an ever-expanding list for the last decade. Of course someone who has been trying to remove these people through legal or constitutional means since being in power is going to have a list drawn up.
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Aye, but those who turned a blind eye while he was drawing up his little list will find it handy to find a hidden hand in the weekend's events.
 
Idris2002 said:
Aye, but those who turned a blind eye while he was drawing up his little list will find it handy to find a hidden hand in the weekend's events.
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That's a huge amount of people within the states various structures - and not just political - and those in the various international bodies then.
 
tim said:
We abolished the death penalty in 1964 before we joined the EEC. The last execution in France was in 1977 a couple of decades after it joined.
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Wasn't the last hanging in the Six Counties a bit later than that? Going off dim recall of a fictional version of the case.
 
Manter said:
It's very difficult to tell who is entitled to what tbh, as the whole system is such a mess. For example, statistically, Costa Ricans were more successful at claiming asylum than Iraqis for about three months last year.

It's also difficult to tell what nationality the Kurds in Calais are, often; many go from Turkey to Iraqi Kurdistan and then on to Europe; many Syrian Kurds spend some time in Turkey trying to make life work before moving on- in the camp the Kurds tend to stick together and describe themselves as Kurds. There are a few exceptions- Syrian Kurds who stick with the Syrians, mostly. But on the whole if you're describing the camp you say Syrians, Iraqis, Sudanese, Eritreans, Kurds... And there are two Kurds I know are Turkish who say they are Iraqi- they lived there a long time so I imagine no one will catch them out this side; but a Syrian Kurd is certain they are Turks. It's a murky old place over there.
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I've a friend in Iraqi Kurdistan who is a Syrian Kurd, he wants to come here but he can't get his passport as it is too unsafe to go back to Syria. He thinks if I just invite him to come, the government will allow him as he is trustworthy and hardworking. I keep trying to explain that it doesn't work like that! He doesn't want to come here illegally.
 
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